Geeta Summary

April 20, 2001

Namaste,

For some reason I have always associated the wonderful smile

with the phrase "praj~naa-vaadaa.nshcha bhaashhase ." [words of

wisdom thou speakest!]

Whenever my intellectual doubt raises its head [or hood!] I

visualise the Divine smile and it leads me to the answer that dispels

the doubt!!

Regards,

s.

advaitin, Raghava Kaluri <raghavakaluri> wrote:

> Namaste /\

>

> To a person such as Arjuna overwhelmed with grief,

> helplessnes and fear, Geeta [2:3],

>

> Krishna smiles wonderfully :-) :-) :-)

>

> Does Krishna's smile alone answer Arjuna's question,

> or does it add to the subsequent answer of two

> Shlokas, I don't know :-)

>

> With Love,

> Raghava

>

April 20, 2001

Sri Krishna's Kalindi mardanam represents the Lord

rushing to the devotee's rescue and subduing the many

hooded serpent of otherwise uncontrollable human

mind.

Ananda Sagar

sunderh wrote:

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For some reason I have always associated the wonderful

smile with the phrase "praj~naa-vaadaa.nshcha

bhaashhase ." [words of wisdom thou

speakest!]

Whenever

my intellectual doubt raises its head [or hood!] I

visualise the Divine smile and it leads me to the

answer that dispels the

doubt!! Regards, s. --- In

advaitin, Raghava Kaluri

<raghavakaluri> wrote: > Namaste

/\ > > To a person such as Arjuna

overwhelmed with grief, > helplessnes and fear,

Geeta [2:3], > >

Krishna smiles wonderfully :-) :-) :-) >

> Does Krishna's smile alone answer Arjuna's

question, > or does it add to the subsequent

answer of two > Shlokas, I don't know

:-) > > With Love, >

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April 21, 2001

Namaste!One of the most common mistakes made in

studying Srimad Bhagawad Geetha is to ignore the

importance of the very first chapter of Geetha,which

is obviously intended to be the very first chapter,as

well as the gateway to Ge etha.One must pass through

this gateway and come out transformed into a saint-

like Arjuna did,full of great compassion,vairagya-not

caring for victory or name and fame,concern for the

welfare of kith and kin,concern about war and its

evils,gurubhakti-reverence for the great

teachers,concern for the society and social

order,concern for welfare of women,Viswa prema and

such like saintly qualities.All this transformation of

Arjuna who was a great warrior into a great saint was

wriught by none other than smiling Lord Krishna only

,who was the creator of entire scenario by putting

Arjuna's chariot right in its middle.That is why this

chapter is the very first yoga ,the yoga of

compassion.! If one wants to understand HOLY

geetha,one should feel this great compassion in the

heart,as a prerequisite.It is wrong to consider

Arjuna's compassion as moha or attachment..On the

other hand it is the primary yoga of supreme

compassion and purification of one's mind and heart

,which is prerequisite for the Darshan of the smiling

Lord!

Ananda Sagar

sunderh wrote:

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MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT:

5px"><HTML><BODY><TT>Namaste,

For some reason I have always associated the wonderful

smile with the phrase "praj~naa-vaadaa.nshcha

bhaashhase ." [words of wisdom thou

speakest!]

Whenever

my intellectual doubt raises its head [or hood!] I

visualise the Divine smile and it leads me to the

answer that dispels the

doubt!! Regards, s. --- In

advaitin, Raghava Kaluri

<raghavakaluri> wrote: > Namaste

/\ > > To a person such as Arjuna

overwhelmed with grief, > helplessnes and fear,

Geeta [2:3], > >

Krishna smiles wonderfully :-) :-) :-) >

> Does Krishna's smile alone answer Arjuna's

question, > or does it add to the subsequent

answer of two > Shlokas, I don't know

:-) > > With Love, >

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April 22, 2001

--- BTA SAGAR <btasagar wrote:

>

> Namaste!One of the most common mistakes made in

> studying Srimad Bhagawad Geetha is to ignore the

> importance of the very first chapter of Geetha,which

> is obviously intended to be the very first

> chapter,as

> well as the gateway to Ge etha.One must pass through

> this gateway and come out transformed into a saint-

> like Arjuna did,full of great

> compassion,vairagya-not

> caring for victory or name and fame,concern for the

> welfare of kith and kin,concern about war and its

> evils,gurubhakti-reverence for the great

> teachers,concern for the society and social

> order,concern for welfare of women,Viswa prema and

> such like saintly qualities.All this transformation

> of

> Arjuna who was a great warrior into a great saint

> was

> wriught by none other than smiling Lord Krishna only

> ,who was the creator of entire scenario by putting

> Arjuna's chariot right in its middle.That is why

> this

> chapter is the very first yoga ,the yoga of

> compassion.! If one wants to understand HOLY

> geetha,one should feel this great compassion in the

> heart,as a prerequisite.It is wrong to consider

> Arjuna's compassion as moha or attachment..On the

> other hand it is the primary yoga of supreme

> compassion and purification of one's mind and heart

> ,which is prerequisite for the Darshan of the

> smiling

> Lord!

> Ananda Sagar

Dear Sir,

Thanks a million for this clarification and

explanation.

With Love,

Raghava

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April 22, 2001

Namaste! Please add to the list of saintly qualities of Arjuna whio was

transformed into a saint by the Smiling Lord Krishna in the first chapter of

Geetha The Yoga of Supreme Compassion.:------ Forgiveness (Kshama) and Ahimsa

(nonviolence)-One should be willing to forgive even the worst enemies as Arjuna

was willing to forgive Duryodhana and others who constantly tried to harm him

and other pandavas due to jealousy and even publicly tried disrobe Draupadi

Devi,who was his wife.There can be no greater example of forgiveness and

nonviolence than this (other than Jesus).

Contrary to many common interpretations,the Lord was actually pleased with now

transformed saintly Arjuna but had to rush to encourage Arjuna's sinking heart

and prevent his total collapse and breakdown in the midst of the battlefield

under grief and despondency.The result was what followed-- the Grandest

revelations of the Holy Bhagawad Geetha, a supreme blessing for all mankind..

Compassion for mankind is the Supreme Yoga and precedes every other yoga.Similar

examples are :When Sage Narada's heart melted with supreme compassion for the

plight of mankind,Lord Vishnu revealed the Holy Satyanarayana vratam which only

teaches surrender to Lord, to dispel the miseries of mankind and bestow

blessings and bliss.When Uddhava ,the close desiple and devotee of Lord Sri

Krishna felt agitated and depressed about Dwaraka sinking into the sea and the

plight of yadavas and vrishnis,Lord Krishna gave the Ambrosia of Uddhava Geetha

or Amritha Geetha.Thus the Lord prepares the human heart and mind by Compassion

first so that they become fit to receive the Ambrosia or Nectar Divine!

Raghava Kaluri <raghavakaluri wrote:

--- BTA SAGAR <btasagar wrote:

>

> Namaste!One of the most common mistakes made in

> studying Srimad Bhagawad Geetha is to ignore the

> importance of the very first chapter of Geetha,which

> is obviously intended to be the very first

> chapter,as

> well as the gateway to Ge etha.One must pass through

> this gateway and come out transformed into a saint-

> like Arjuna did,full of great

> compassion,vairagya-not

> caring for victory or name and fame,concern for the

> welfare of kith and kin,concern about war and its

> evils,gurubhakti-reverence for the great

> teachers,concern for the society and social

> order,concern for welfare of women,Viswa prema and

> such like saintly qualities.All this transformation

> of

> Arjuna who was a great warrior into a great saint

> was

> wrought by none other than smiling Lord Krishna only

> ,who was the creator of entire scenario by putting

> Arjuna's chariot right in its middle.That is why

> this

> chapter is the very first yoga ,the yoga of

> compassion.! If one wants to understand HOLY

> geetha,one should feel this great compassion in the

> heart,as a prerequisite.It is wrong to consider

> Arjuna's compassion as moha or attachment..On the

> other hand it is the primary yoga of supreme

> compassion and purification of one's mind and heart

> ,which is prerequisite for the Darshan of the

> smiling

> Lord!

> Ananda Sagar

Dear Sir,

Thanks a million for this clarification and

explanation.

With Love,

Raghava

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April 22, 2001

Namaste Sagar-ji,

Your analysis of the first chapter is to be greatly

appreciated, but I respectfully submit that it has a major weak point.

Arjuna's 'vishhaada' [dejection, despondency] was NOT

based on true compassion or dispassion, but on 'aha~Nkaara'

and 'mamatva' [ego and mine-ness].

Krishna's smile can be related to the glorious

opportunity afforded him to expound TRUE compassion and dispassion in

the field of action - karma-yoga, which had been lost in the course

of Time and which he had taught to Vivasvat and his descendants

[iV:1, 2].

Otherwise Krishna would not have characterised Arjuna's

state of mind as 'kashmalam' [faint-heartedness], 'anaaryam

ajushhTam, asvargyam, akiirtikaram', klaibyam, kshudra.n hR^idaya-

daurbalyam',[Gita II:3, 4].

When chided thus, Arjuna himself characterises his

condition as 'kaarpaNya-doshha-upahata-svabhaavaH', and 'dharma-

saMuuDhachetaaH'[iI:7].

All the qualities you have mentioned are a result of

removing the 'moha' [delusion] of 'aha~Nkaara', and NOT

of 'vishhaada'.

Chapter 12, 'bhakti-yoga' in fact could reasonably have a

the additional epithet of 'Yoga of Supreme Compassion', rather than

Ch. 1.

Regards,

s.

advaitin, BTA SAGAR <btasagar> wrote:

>

> Namaste! Please add to the list of saintly qualities of Arjuna whio

was transformed into a saint by the Smiling Lord Krishna in the first

chapter of Geetha The Yoga of Supreme Compassion.:------

April 23, 2001

Namaste,

Sri Krishna still says "Pandavanam Dhananjaya" in the

10 th chapter. "I am Dhananjaya (Arjuna) amongst the

Pandavas". Thus Arjuna was doing his duty of being the

perfect instrument of Sri Krishna.

By playing the part of the repentent hero, he became a

medium through whom Sri Krishna gave His immortal

message to all of us who really need it more.

The avataara is also a perfect actor.

Anand

>

Otherwise Krishna would not have

> characterised Arjuna's

> state of mind as 'kashmalam' [faint-heartedness],

> 'anaaryam

> ajushhTam, asvargyam, akiirtikaram', klaibyam,

> kshudra.n hR^idaya-

> daurbalyam',[Gita II:3, 4].

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April 24, 2001

Namste Sunder-ji,

Thank you for your kind comments

There are many subtle meanings that normal commentaries miss in Sri Mad Bhagawad

Geetha.This is one of them.

Arjuna and Sri Krishna are Nara and Narayan who are the main deities in

Badarikashramam.Nara should only turn to Narayan (Brahman) with all his

worries,doubts,problems in his helpless condition,as Narayan(Brahman) only can

ensure his yoga and kshema and is the only supreme Refuge (Gati,Bharta,Prabhu)

for mankind.Otherwise,the nara will fall into dejection,mental and physical

collapse like the shivering Arjuna did.While concern and compassion which

transformed Arjuna felt were undisputably saintly qualities,he was shivering and

was collapsing under their burden instead of turning to Narayan - God- at that

point as he did not realize at that time that Lord Sri Krishna was none other

than God (Narayan or Brahman).As a doctor gently slapping the cheeks of a

fainting patient,Lord Sri Krishna's chiding (Kashmalam,akeertikaram etc) were

only referring to Arjuna's collapse (hridaya daurbalyam).The Lord is certainly

not criticizing or objecting to the saintly qualities and concerns which Gita's

first chapter was intended to bestow on Arjuna..

There is no justification to crticize great Arjuna as many did as selfish or

deluded,except that he did not remember God at that point which led to his

mental and physical collapse.That is the reason Lord says "Twameva saranam Gacha

Sarwa Bhavena Bharata" Place all your fears,doubts ,.concerns,problems etc at

His Feet and Surrender to HIM.Even in our daily lives, when we are concerned for

the welfare of a family member,or burdened by insurmountable problems,we should

turn to God and pray and surrender with Faith,and not mentally and physically

collapse losing our courage and faith !This is the essence of Gita!

sunderh wrote:

Namaste Sagar-ji,

Your analysis of the first chapter is to be greatly

appreciated, but I respectfully submit that it has a major weak point.

Arjuna's 'vishhaada' [dejection, despondency] was NOT

based on true compassion or dispassion, but on 'aha~Nkaara'

and 'mamatva' [ego and mine-ness].

Krishna's smile can be related to the glorious

opportunity afforded him to expound TRUE compassion and dispassion in

the field of action - karma-yoga, which had been lost in the course

of Time and which he had taught to Vivasvat and his descendants

[iV:1, 2].

Otherwise Krishna would not have characterised Arjuna's

state of mind as 'kashmalam' [faint-heartedness], 'anaaryam

ajushhTam, asvargyam, akiirtikaram', klaibyam, kshudra.n hR^idaya-

daurbalyam',[Gita II:3, 4].

When chided thus, Arjuna himself characterises his

condition as 'kaarpaNya-doshha-upahata-svabhaavaH', and 'dharma-

saMuuDhachetaaH'[iI:7].

All the qualities you have mentioned are a result of

removing the 'moha' [delusion] of 'aha~Nkaara', and NOT

of 'vishhaada'.

Chapter 12, 'bhakti-yoga' in fact could reasonably have a

the additional epithet of 'Yoga of Supreme Compassion', rather than

Ch. 1.

Regards,

s.

advaitin, BTA SAGAR <btasagar> wrote:

>

> Namaste! Please add to the list of saintly qualities of Arjuna whio

was transformed into a saint by the Smiling Lord Krishna in the first

chapter of Geetha The Yoga of Supreme Compassion.:------

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April 25, 2001

Namaste!

There are many subtle meanings in Holy Geetha,which have not been emphasized in

many commentaries or sometimes misunderstood..

A second common mistake is to study Geetha in the context or light of

Mahabharata war! This throws a wrong shadow on our understanding.It is like

looking through colored glasses.Wars come and wars go in this unreal

world.Mahabharata war was also another war which belonged to this unreal world

in the ASAT PLANE,While Holy Geetha deals with Reality - Ever Present God- or

SAT PLANE Sri Krishna never,never gave Arjuna permission to kill anyone in the

Holy Geetha(if we donot mix up Mahabharata and other puranic stories with the

Geetha).On the other hand,He was pointing out to all (pandavaas and kauravaas

alike),when the Lord said:

..The person who worships Me situated equally in all beings as One,wherever that

person is ,he(she) is always situated within Me.

The person who can see Me everywhere and sees everything in Me,I will never

lose hold of such a person.

The emphasis of Geetha is Ahimsa (Nonviolence) not war(Ahimsa satyam

akrodhah---ch 16 verse 2).The real meaning is that------ the chariot is none

other than our wonder sareeram or body which gives an illusion of travelling

through time and space;the horses are our karmendriyas; Five Paandavas

represent five jnanendriyas;hundreds of kauravaas represent many ignorant or

meaningless thoughts that bombard constantly on the jnanendriyaas;Sri Krishna is

Naraayana or Brahman situated in our own hearts;Arjuna is the nara or jeeva-our

ego self;Mahabharata war represents the constant struggle between

evil(ignorance) and good (Knowledge) thoughts in our own minds. The Jeeva should

recognize the Presence of the Lord within oneself and pray and surrender to

Him;constantly remembering Him in all humility.Sri Krishna promises that He will

be responsible for our Yogam and Kshemam in this war

(I have more commentaries on subtle meanings of Holy Geetha,bt I do not want to

impose myself on the Advaitin Group)

Ananda Sagar.

sunderh wrote:

Namaste Sagar-ji,

Your analysis of the first chapter is to be greatly

appreciated, but I respectfully submit that it has a major weak point.

Arjuna's 'vishhaada' [dejection, despondency] was NOT

based on true compassion or dispassion, but on 'aha~Nkaara'

and 'mamatva' [ego and mine-ness].

Krishna's smile can be related to the glorious

opportunity afforded him to expound TRUE compassion and dispassion in

the field of action - karma-yoga, which had been lost in the course

of Time and which he had taught to Vivasvat and his descendants

[iV:1, 2].

Otherwise Krishna would not have characterised Arjuna's

state of mind as 'kashmalam' [faint-heartedness], 'anaaryam

ajushhTam, asvargyam, akiirtikaram', klaibyam, kshudra.n hR^idaya-

daurbalyam',[Gita II:3, 4].

When chided thus, Arjuna himself characterises his

condition as 'kaarpaNya-doshha-upahata-svabhaavaH', and 'dharma-

saMuuDhachetaaH'[iI:7].

All the qualities you have mentioned are a result of

removing the 'moha' [delusion] of 'aha~Nkaara', and NOT

of 'vishhaada'.

Chapter 12, 'bhakti-yoga' in fact could reasonably have a

the additional epithet of 'Yoga of Supreme Compassion', rather than

Ch. 1.

Regards,

s.

advaitin, BTA SAGAR <btasagar> wrote:

>

> Namaste! Please add to the list of saintly qualities of Arjuna whio

was transformed into a saint by the Smiling Lord Krishna in the first

chapter of Geetha The Yoga of Supreme Compassion.:------

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April 25, 2001

>BTA SAGAR <btasagar

Namaste!

>The emphasis of Geetha is Ahimsa (Nonviolence) not war(Ahimsa satyam

> >akrodhah---ch 16 verse 2).

"Ahimsa, satyam, akrodhah" are all qualities to be developed

within. They neither profess nor condemn war! Krishna who

preached Ahimsa killed Kamsa and Sisupaala. But He did not

kill out of vengeance or even anger! He did for upholding

Dharma. For protecting Ahimsa, he killed Kamsa, the killer!

When there is Ahimsa, satyam, akordhah etc., in the heart,

the action performed, be it a war or diplomacy or any other

work, will only be yoga.

>The real meaning is that------ the chariot is none other than our >wonder

>sareeram or body which gives an illusion of travelling through >time and

>space;the horses are our karmendriyas; Five Paandavas >represent five

>jnanendriyas;hundreds of kauravaas represent many >ignorant or meaningless

>thoughts that bombard constantly on the >jnanendriyaas;Sri Krishna is

>Naraayana or Brahman situated in our own >hearts;Arjuna is the nara or

>jeeva-our ego self;Mahabharata war >represents the constant struggle

>between evil(ignorance) and good (Knowledge) thoughts in our own minds. The

>Jeeva should recognize the >Presence of the Lord within oneself and pray

>and surrender to >Him;constantly remembering Him in all humility.Sri

>Krishna promises >that He will be responsible for our Yogam and Kshemam in

>this war

I agree with above. But again, this does not mean Krishna said

don't do war- or only do peace. He Himself went to the court

of Kauravas pleading for peace, but when everything failed,

He drove the chariot of Arjuna to the war front! There is

no contradiction here. It is futile to give a list of do's

and don't that fit in every kind of situation and every time

and clime of human history. Instead, Gita provides the universal

values that we can strive to develop _within_, and naturally

our actions without, will then be rightly guided.

This is my understanding.

With regards

-Srinivas

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April 25, 2001

Namaste Sagarji:

Pranams,

Please feel free to express and expand your commentaries on the subtle

meanings of Holy Geetha. As a matter of fact, you are not imposing on

the list but you are enriching the list. I suggest that you take one

key topic per week and express your thoughts. The list loves to hear

your insights based on your knowledge and wisdom,

Warmest regards,

Ram Chandran

advaitin, BTA SAGAR <btasagar> wrote:

>

> Namaste!

>

> There are many subtle meanings in Holy Geetha,which have not been

emphasized in many commentaries or sometimes misunderstood..

> ........

>

> (I have more commentaries on subtle meanings of Holy Geetha,bt I do

not want to impose myself on the Advaitin Group)

>

> Ananda Sagar.

April 25, 2001

Namaste Sagarji,

I fully support Ram-ji's assurance to you.

What would be be helpful also is to specify which particular

commentator you are referring to, preferably with a quote, and as we

are concentrating on Shankara Bhashya, how your interpretation

differs/modifies/amplifies it.

Thanks for your contributions.

Regards,

s.

advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <rchandran@c...> wrote:

> Namaste Sagarji:

>

> Pranams,

>

> Please feel free to express and expand your commentaries on the

subtle

> meanings of Holy Geetha. As a matter of fact, you are not imposing

on

> the list but you are enriching the list.

April 25, 2001

Namaskarams! to Shri Anand Sagar

I think your commentaries on the subtle meanings will be welcome by many

and I will be interested in reading them. Will you also indicate to us if

these are your interpretations or are more widely available material. I am

also a little confused about the interpretations in light of, or not in

light of, the Mahabharat- I am not sure how these two can be unlinked from

each other. Ho do you view the Mahabharat as a piece of history and real,

and another part of it as unreal and of divine origins?

Thanks

Geetha

-

BTA SAGAR <btasagar

Wednesday, April 25, 2001 5:19 PM

Re: Re: Geeta Summary

>

> Namaste!

>

> There are many subtle meanings in Holy Geetha,which have not been

emphasized in many commentaries or sometimes misunderstood..

>

> A second common mistake is to study Geetha in the context or light of

Mahabharata war! This throws a wrong shadow on our understanding.It is like

looking through colored glasses.Wars come and wars go in this unreal

world.Mahabharata war was also another war which belonged to this unreal

world in the ASAT PLANE,While Holy Geetha deals with Reality - Ever Present

God- or SAT PLANE Sri Krishna never,never gave Arjuna permission to kill

anyone in the Holy Geetha(if we donot mix up Mahabharata and other puranic

stories with the Geetha).On the other hand,He was pointing out to all

(pandavaas and kauravaas alike),when the Lord said:

>

> .The person who worships Me situated equally in all beings as One,wherever

that person is ,he(she) is always situated within Me.

>

> The person who can see Me everywhere and sees everything in Me,I will

never lose hold of such a person.

> The emphasis of Geetha is Ahimsa (Nonviolence) not war(Ahimsa satyam

akrodhah---ch 16 verse 2).The real meaning is that------ the chariot is none

other than our wonder sareeram or body which gives an illusion of travelling

through time and space;the horses are our karmendriyas; Five Paandavas

represent five jnanendriyas;hundreds of kauravaas represent many ignorant or

meaningless thoughts that bombard constantly on the jnanendriyaas;Sri

Krishna is Naraayana or Brahman situated in our own hearts;Arjuna is the

nara or jeeva-our ego self;Mahabharata war represents the constant struggle

between evil(ignorance) and good (Knowledge) thoughts in our own minds. The

Jeeva should recognize the Presence of the Lord within oneself and pray and

surrender to Him;constantly remembering Him in all humility.Sri Krishna

promises that He will be responsible for our Yogam and Kshemam in this war

>

> (I have more commentaries on subtle meanings of Holy Geetha,bt I do not

want to impose myself on the Advaitin Group)

>

> Ananda Sagar.

>

> sunderh wrote:

>

> Namaste Sagar-ji,

>

> Your analysis of the first chapter is to be greatly

> appreciated, but I respectfully submit that it has a major weak point.

>

> Arjuna's 'vishhaada' [dejection, despondency] was NOT

> based on true compassion or dispassion, but on 'aha~Nkaara'

> and 'mamatva' [ego and mine-ness].

>

> Krishna's smile can be related to the glorious

> opportunity afforded him to expound TRUE compassion and dispassion in

> the field of action - karma-yoga, which had been lost in the course

> of Time and which he had taught to Vivasvat and his descendants

> [iV:1, 2].

>

> Otherwise Krishna would not have characterised Arjuna's

> state of mind as 'kashmalam' [faint-heartedness], 'anaaryam

> ajushhTam, asvargyam, akiirtikaram', klaibyam, kshudra.n hR^idaya-

> daurbalyam',[Gita II:3, 4].

>

> When chided thus, Arjuna himself characterises his

> condition as 'kaarpaNya-doshha-upahata-svabhaavaH', and 'dharma-

> saMuuDhachetaaH'[iI:7].

>

> All the qualities you have mentioned are a result of

> removing the 'moha' [delusion] of 'aha~Nkaara', and NOT

> of 'vishhaada'.

>

> Chapter 12, 'bhakti-yoga' in fact could reasonably have a

> the additional epithet of 'Yoga of Supreme Compassion', rather than

> Ch. 1.

>

> Regards,

>

> s.

>

> advaitin, BTA SAGAR <btasagar> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste! Please add to the list of saintly qualities of Arjuna whio

> was transformed into a saint by the Smiling Lord Krishna in the first

> chapter of Geetha The Yoga of Supreme Compassion.:------

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April 25, 2001

OM

GURUR BRAHMA GURUR VISNU GURUR DEVO MAHESHVARAH

GURUH SAKSHAT PARAM BRAHM TASMAI SRI GURVE NAMAH

OM NAMAH SIVAYA

OM NAMAH SIVANANDAYA

Blessed Self,

Please read the book "The Philosophy of the

Bhagavadgita" by Sri Swami Krishnananda for

explanation. The Philosophy of the Bhagavadgita

by

Sri Swami Krishnananda

General Secretary, The Divine Life Society

Sivananda Ashram, Rishikesh, India

Chapter II

THE BATTLEFIELD OF LIFE

http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/gita/gita_02.html

Also See:

THE GITA VISION By SRI SWAMI CHIDANANDA:

http://www.dlshq.org/download/gita_vision.htm

THE GOSPEL OF THE BHAGAVADGITA

RESOLUTION OF THE FOURFOLD CONFLICT

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http://www.dlshq.org/religions/gita_krishna.htm

More material is available on the site.

Pranam

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Thank you for your kind encouragement.To speak the truth,the interpretations are

due to the inspiration given by Gurudev Swami Sivananda and I do not know if

there are any published sources.I am sure human quest for truth and reality

elsewhere would have obtained similar answers,and contained in some

books.However my humble study of Uddhava Gita which calmed my intense and very

painful agitations caused by my ignorant and arrogant spiritual questions has

been the source of my inspiration and provided answers to my restless mind.I

thus have to humbly acknowledge Lord Sri Krishna's intense mercy in saving this

foolish seeker again and again..

The answer to your second question is rather mystical.Mahabharata war was both

mythologically and historically true. Srimad Bhagawad Geetha was spoken by God

Himself and should be for you and me,for everyone and for all humanity at all

times and for all time to come.Hence,the war is not really relevant.Human mind

is the sole creator of Asat and is totally drowned or preoccupied with asat

only.Mahabharata and puranaas sometimes are more preoccupied with the gruesome

details of war and the actors in the war,which is entirely asat and not with Sri

Krishna the only Truth,the Reality and Sat.This point may become more clear by

Sri Krishna's following words

Tasmaad Asat abhidhyanam yadaa swapna manoradham

hitwaa MAYI samaadhstwa mano Madbhava bhavitam

A crude translation of this wonderful sloka is:

Give up your vain preoccupation of the mind with vain things(asat).Compose

yourself by ME and mentally see ME who is ALL! (vasudeva sarwam).

Regards

Ananda sagar

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