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Long since a thought had been haunting me. We say that we should try

for Nirvasana or Do Prarthana or use Purushakara etc. Again we

venture to say all is His wish we humans are gross or jada since both

Manas and Buddhi is also matter according to Sankha Yoga.

I see a paradox: if we are gross then it is His wish that we think we

pray or struggle, we dont He does. If it is so then why do we try at

all He will do his deed I fall back and watch.

May I invite all those who can to comment on this to respond. The

question is really worth it I think, the basic question of why

spirituality?

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Hari OM!

 

Blessed Self,

 

Yes, It is indeed an intelligent question, Seeker's like you should

definitely have this kind of questions.

 

Actually there is no Brahman and ME there is only Brahman, Me is the

notion of the EGO. Whenever the EGO completely dies, then we are

realised. Surrender Your Will completely to GOD, then there is no

notions of "I" or mine. Then Everything "HE" wishes will take place.

 

This is the significane of the flute in Lord Krishna Plays. The Flute

is comptelely hollow. It allows to tune whichever way Lord Krishna

wants. We should be hollow with out any notions in our mind to have

complete surrender to HIM.

 

Ego is separateness; non-belongingness. It is wanting to prove and to

possess.

 

And when you wake up and see, there is nothing to be proved and

nothing to possess, ego dissolves.

 

May God Bless YOU

 

With Prem & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

--- Arghya <arghyajyoti wrote:

> Long since a thought had been haunting me. We say that we should

> try

> for Nirvasana or Do Prarthana or use Purushakara etc. Again we

> venture to say all is His wish we humans are gross or jada since

> both

> Manas and Buddhi is also matter according to Sankha Yoga.

> I see a paradox: if we are gross then it is His wish that we think

> we

> pray or struggle, we dont He does. If it is so then why do we try

> at

> all He will do his deed I fall back and watch.

> May I invite all those who can to comment on this to respond. The

> question is really worth it I think, the basic question of why

> spirituality?

>

>

 

 

 

 

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On Fri, 25 May 2001 Arghya wrote:

> Long since a thought had been haunting me. We say that we should try

> for Nirvasana or Do Prarthana or use Purushakara etc. Again we

> venture to say all is His wish we humans are gross or jada since both

> Manas and Buddhi is also matter according to Sankha Yoga.

> I see a paradox: if we are gross then it is His wish that we think we

> pray or struggle, we dont He does. If it is so then why do we try at

> all He will do his deed I fall back and watch.

> May I invite all those who can to comment on this to respond. The

> question is really worth it I think, the basic question of why

> spirituality?

 

 

namaste.

 

The objective of spiritual studies is to know oneself so that

we recognize the fallacy of the question above "Brahman *or* ME?"

and the introduction that preceeded the question.

 

May I suggest that you contemplate on questions of the type

 

Am I there apart from brahman?

Is there a brahman apart from ME?

Is there a ME apart from brahman?

What is this ME?

And what is this brahman?

 

Studies on spirituality answers these questions, not only

intellectually, but much more important spiritually (I hesitate

to use the word experientially because there is no one to

experience this) so that we ultimately know that Knowledge is

the Knower.

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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In the words of a Brahmanishti:

 

The knowledge of 'I' cannot be through Budhi because

whatever is through manaspandana,that being

graahya,when grsped by Budhi becomes as

gyaanam(Vyaavahaarika) but, this 'I' is not karyam of

manaspndana but mana is always advaya to it.Therefore

the knowledge of 'I' is abhinna to 'I'.The thing and

the knowledge are not different in the case of 'I'and

Brahman which is gyeya in all the Upanishadic Shastras

is Ajam,Nityam and that is to be known by Mumukshu.

 

One cannot know by mortal gyaana, the Immortal.

Therefore Acharya says,'Ajena Ajam vibhudyate'That

means Ajam Brahma is known only by |Aja

Gyaana-Immortal Gyaana- and It is always non different

from its Immortal Vastu-'I' and that is nothing else

but Pure-'I' and by this Immortal knowledge Brahman is

known and that is also Aja. Therefore Aja-Brahman is

known by Aja-Gyaana and Aja-Gyaana is never different

from its Object.That means-"I myself am Brahman"-and

that Aja-Knowledge is Brahman-Knowledge which is

non-different from Its Object.

 

Thus,"Aham Brahmaasmi" is expredssed here.

 

Hari Om!

Swaminrayan

 

 

--- Arghya <arghyajyoti wrote:

> Long since a thought had been haunting me. We say

> that we should try

> for Nirvasana or Do Prarthana or use Purushakara

> etc. Again we

> venture to say all is His wish we humans are gross

> or jada since both

> Manas and Buddhi is also matter according to Sankha

> Yoga.

> I see a paradox: if we are gross then it is His wish

> that we think we

> pray or struggle, we dont He does. If it is so then

> why do we try at

> all He will do his deed I fall back and watch.

> May I invite all those who can to comment on this to

> respond. The

> question is really worth it I think, the basic

> question of why

> spirituality?

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Thank you for your advice but this is the theoritical part of why

Brahman cannot be known. It is some what like the Kashmiri Shaivisim

and excellently explains the reason of faliure of Buddhi to

comprehend. I got stuck with it as from within buddhi and its search

for Brahman. Anyway I came up with an answer (see my previous mail),

what is your opinion about it.

 

 

 

advaitin, Swaminarayan T <tvswaminarayan> wrote:

> In the words of a Brahmanishti:

>

> The knowledge of 'I' cannot be through Budhi because

> whatever is through manaspandana,that being

> graahya,when grsped by Budhi becomes as

> gyaanam(Vyaavahaarika) but, this 'I' is not karyam of

> manaspndana but mana is always advaya to it.Therefore

> the knowledge of 'I' is abhinna to 'I'.The thing and

> the knowledge are not different in the case of 'I'and

> Brahman which is gyeya in all the Upanishadic Shastras

> is Ajam,Nityam and that is to be known by Mumukshu.

>

> One cannot know by mortal gyaana, the Immortal.

> Therefore Acharya says,'Ajena Ajam vibhudyate'That

> means Ajam Brahma is known only by |Aja

> Gyaana-Immortal Gyaana- and It is always non different

> from its Immortal Vastu-'I' and that is nothing else

> but Pure-'I' and by this Immortal knowledge Brahman is

> known and that is also Aja. Therefore Aja-Brahman is

> known by Aja-Gyaana and Aja-Gyaana is never different

> from its Object.That means-"I myself am Brahman"-and

> that Aja-Knowledge is Brahman-Knowledge which is

> non-different from Its Object.

>

> Thus,"Aham Brahmaasmi" is expredssed here.

>

> Hari Om!

> Swaminrayan

>

>

> --- Arghya <arghyajyoti> wrote:

> > Long since a thought had been haunting me. We say

> > that we should try

> > for Nirvasana or Do Prarthana or use Purushakara

> > etc. Again we

> > venture to say all is His wish we humans are gross

> > or jada since both

> > Manas and Buddhi is also matter according to Sankha

> > Yoga.

> > I see a paradox: if we are gross then it is His wish

> > that we think we

> > pray or struggle, we dont He does. If it is so then

> > why do we try at

> > all He will do his deed I fall back and watch.

> > May I invite all those who can to comment on this to

> > respond. The

> > question is really worth it I think, the basic

> > question of why

> > spirituality?

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Dear Arghya,

I am unable to locate your previous mail in this

thread.Could you kindly forward the same once again

for my benefit?

 

Hari Om

 

Swaminarayan

--- Arghya <arghyajyoti wrote:

>

>Anyway I came up with an answer (see my

> previous mail),

> what is your opinion about it.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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