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Can any of the renowned scholars in the list explain what is prarabda karma

and also the various classifications of Karma.

 

Thanks in Advance,

Ram Prasad

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>"Ram Prasad" Can any of the renowned scholars in the list explain

>what is prarabda karma and also the various classifications of Karma.

>

>Thanks in Advance, Ram Prasad

 

Shree Ram Prasad - Greetings.

 

Any action performed with ego leaves an impression in the mind which is

called as vassana which makes one to repeat the action or avoid it depending

on the nature of the result. This is called raaga and dwesha or likes and

dislikes. The total vaasana-s are also referred to karma since they are

products of karma. These vasana-s form the cause or kaaraNa for our birth

and the type of body that one takes and the environement into which one is

born is dictated by this prarabda karma. Jiiva selectes the conducive

environment to take his/her birth that can exhaust its vaasana-s. Of the

total vasana-s he brings only to this life those that that can be exhausted

and that is prarabda karma. The total vasana-s or looking in a way, as

total bank balance jiiva has is called sanchita karma. Only the part he

brings to exhaust in this life with the particular body and environment is

called prarabda. When he is born as human, he is provided with a choice of

action or purushaartha. Thus when he preformes any action propelled by his

prarabda karma, he accumulates new vasana-s that either can be exhaused in

this life or deposited into the bank balance as Agaami karma. In a nut

shell - the environment you are in is the result of previous actions or

prarabda karma. The next environment you are going to have next is results

of all the past plus modified by your present action. Hence inspite of your

past actions or prarabda you can modifiy your future prarabda by the present

actions. Hence proper education, culture and habits help to reformulate

your future prarabda. If the existing body is no more conducive to exhaust

bundle of vasana-s that are ready to germinate then one changes the body and

takes a new birth that is more conducive to next powerful set of vasana-s.

Thus krama leads to vasana-s which propell one to act which again leaves

more vasana-s. Thus we have sanchita karma, prarabda karam and aagaami

karama - total bank balance, the credit that you brought with you to spend

in this life and new accumulated amount that is deposited to your total bank

balance. One gets cought up in this cycle of karma to janma to karma etc.

To get out of this, one needs yoga - and that is what Bhagavad geeta teaches

- it is called yoga shaastra where in karma, bhakti and j~naana yogo are

tought.

Hari Om!

Sadananda

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Hari Om,

 

Thank you sadanandji for your quick replya.I will come up with more questions

when i have them ready.

 

Ram

 

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Friday, June 01, 2001 4:12 AM

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Re: Prarabda Karma

 

 

 

>"Ram Prasad" Can any of the renowned scholars in the list explain

>what is prarabda karma and also the various classifications of Karma.

>

>Thanks in Advance, Ram Prasad

 

Shree Ram Prasad - Greetings.

 

Any action performed with ego leaves an impression in the mind which is

called as vassana which makes one to repeat the action or avoid it depending

on the nature of the result. This is called raaga and dwesha or likes and

dislikes. The total vaasana-s are also referred to karma since they are

products of karma. These vasana-s form the cause or kaaraNa for our birth

and the type of body that one takes and the environement into which one is

born is dictated by this prarabda karma. Jiiva selectes the conducive

environment to take his/her birth that can exhaust its vaasana-s. Of the

total vasana-s he brings only to this life those that that can be exhausted

and that is prarabda karma. The total vasana-s or looking in a way, as

total bank balance jiiva has is called sanchita karma. Only the part he

brings to exhaust in this life with the particular body and environment is

called prarabda. When he is born as human, he is provided with a choice of

action or purushaartha. Thus when he preformes any action propelled by his

prarabda karma, he accumulates new vasana-s that either can be exhaused in

this life or deposited into the bank balance as Agaami karma. In a nut

shell - the environment you are in is the result of previous actions or

prarabda karma. The next environment you are going to have next is results

of all the past plus modified by your present action. Hence inspite of your

past actions or prarabda you can modifiy your future prarabda by the present

actions. Hence proper education, culture and habits help to reformulate

your future prarabda. If the existing body is no more conducive to exhaust

bundle of vasana-s that are ready to germinate then one changes the body and

takes a new birth that is more conducive to next powerful set of vasana-s.

Thus krama leads to vasana-s which propell one to act which again leaves

more vasana-s. Thus we have sanchita karma, prarabda karam and aagaami

karama - total bank balance, the credit that you brought with you to spend

in this life and new accumulated amount that is deposited to your total bank

balance. One gets cought up in this cycle of karma to janma to karma etc.

To get out of this, one needs yoga - and that is what Bhagavad geeta teaches

- it is called yoga shaastra where in karma, bhakti and j~naana yogo are

tought.

Hari Om!

Sadananda

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Dear Sadananda Ji,

 

Thanks for your posting explaining Prarabdha karma and also Sanchit

and Agaami karma. Some questions come to my mind.

 

1) how does Destiny fit in the scheme of Karma. Is there anything like

Destiny at all if our present and future is solely determined by our

past and present Karma ? ( by Destiny I mean something that is

predetermined and certain to happen in one's life and all his/her

thoughts, actions and circumstances inevitably taking him/her to that

eventuality ).

 

2) what role does free will play ? Does free will exist or is it also

governed by our past actions, impressions and thoughts ?

 

Will appreciate a response. Thank you.

 

- Shirish

 

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Kuntimaddi Sadananda

Friday, June 01, 2001 4:12 AM

advaitin

Re: Prarabda Karma

 

 

 

>"Ram Prasad" Can any of the renowned scholars in the list

explain

>what is prarabda karma and also the various classifications of Karma.

>

>Thanks in Advance, Ram Prasad

 

Shree Ram Prasad - Greetings.

 

Any action performed with ego leaves an impression in the mind which

is

called as vassana which makes one to repeat the action or avoid it

depending

on the nature of the result. This is called raaga and dwesha or likes

and

dislikes.

 

[more stuff delelted]

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

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>Dear Sadananda Ji,

>

>Thanks for your posting explaining Prarabdha karma and also Sanchit

>and Agaami karma. Some questions come to my mind.

>

>1) how does Destiny fit in the scheme of Karma. Is there anything like

>Destiny at all if our present and future is solely determined by our

>past and present Karma ? ( by Destiny I mean something that is

>predetermined and certain to happen in one's life and all his/her

>thoughts, actions and circumstances inevitably taking him/her to that

>eventuality ).

>

>2) what role does free will play ? Does free will exist or is it also

>governed by our past actions, impressions and thoughts ?

>

>Will appreciate a response. Thank you.

>

> - Shirish

>

 

Shirishji - Greetings.

 

As I understand 'destiny' is a poor translation of what is known as

praarabda karma - that which I brought with to exhaust in this life.

These are the results of will-full actions in my past - hence in a

way I am the author of my destiny since actions were done with the

notion that I am the doer and hence I have to experience the results

of my past actions. If I have murdered someone in the past and

somehow escaped the Law but now have become a sage. The Law can

still catch me and put me in jail or in one way or the other I have

to experience the result of that action. Many a time we forget what

we did or it is not visible to our mind - hence it is called

adR^ishhTa or unseen. But I am accountable for all the actions that

I did where I remember or not

 

Now for a human who is endowed with discriminative intellect, he

has a choice of action at every moment - In fact he cannot but choose

- He is at cross roads every second- to do, not to do and to do

another way - are always his choices. The past actions or destiny

provides the environment and the degree of the choice of action in

the present depends on how powerful that past destiny is - yet there

is a limited choice in all and how one acts in the limited freedom

depends on ones samskaara or value system and how willed the person

is to follow his swadharma. The so-called free will is the choice at

present, presented to the rational intellect. It is like a cow timed

by lengthy rope to a post - The cow may think she is tied and does

not have much choice. Yet the the length of the rope determines how

much choice of freedom of movement she has. How strong that tie is

depends on the results of the past action or praarabda or destiny.

 

The future destiny is the result of all previous actions including

what I have brought up with me from the total balance plus results of

the actions in this life that can be exhausted in this life itself -

plus the results of my present action. If the cow winds itself to

the pole as it moves around, the length of the free rope decreases

and her movement gets further limited by the result of her own past

action. Of course I can unwind myself from the shackles and increase

my freedom of movement. Hence although I am prisoner of my past, I

am also an architect of my future destiny too. If I am an engineer

now - that is the result of my past efforts. Now if I get interested

in Medicine and start studying, I will become one day a medical

doctor, a doctor with an engineering background. Thus future destiny

modified by present action.

Sometimes the praarabda can be so powerful that it determines the

result withnot much of a choice other than screaming and shouting! It

is like getting caught up in powerful stream of water currents and

there is not much I can do to hang on or cannot find anything to hang

on. Catastrophic accidents etc come under this category. Sometime

samishhTi vaasana-s dictate the result - like so many got caught up

in the recent earth quack. Nature looks very unfair - but one can

ask the question why only the people in that city not anywhere else.

You hear the stories that some left the town just during that time

for some official or family business and escaped the accident while

others ended up in that town who do not belong there for the same

reason. According to Vedanta there are no accidents - there are only

incidents in life and Iswara being so compassionate cannot be

arbitrary. Hence every action is the result of will-full action done

by an egocentric entity. Hence purushhaartha and praarabda in my

opinion go hand-in-hand. That is the reason, saadhana is very

important to change our future destiny.

 

But once ego is transcended, all these have no more meaning. Since

the results belong to the egocentric entity, when the ego is gone,

there is no more locus to which these past belongs - this includes

the sanchita karma (the whole bank balance). Now it belongs to the

samishhTi or the totality. The good is distributed to the good and

the bad is distributed to the bad.

 

There are statements made that half of puNya of husband goes to his

wife while he keeps all his paapa, while half of paapa of his wife he

has to share while she keeps all her puNya. This is logical only if

she is truly sahadharma chaarNi since she surrenders most of her will

to the will of her husband- while he makes his independent decisions

and makes her to do what he wants. Now a days it may be the other

way around if wife feels that she is independent and makes the

decisions and ask her husband to follow, then he gets her puNya and

does not have to share her paapa! - By law also the same applies

between employee and his/her supervisor. Everything is logical.

 

I hope I am clear.

 

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> But once ego is transcended, all these have no more meaning. Since

> the results belong to the egocentric entity, when the ego is gone,

> there is no more locus to which these past belongs - this includes

> the sanchita karma (the whole bank balance). Now it belongs to the

> samishhTi or the totality. The good is distributed to the good and

> the bad is distributed to the bad.

 

Namaste Sri Sadananda garu,

I have been a passive member so far and have enjoyed the discussions

of the list immensely.

I have a dumb question on your post Re: Prarabda Karma...

 

If I understood your post correctly, once a person becomes

jIvanmukta , the upAdhis and the prarabda karma associated with them

are still there till death but the identification with the upAdhis

ceases.

There is no locus for his individual sanchita karma and it now

belongs to samishhTi.

How does this samishhTi karma work? What do you mean by "The good is

distributed to the good and the bad is distributed to the bad" ?

Can an individual's bad karma as a result of bad actions and thoughts

be distributed to the society as samishhTi ? Can one transcend ego

before reducing the sanchita karma balance to zero?

Please explain.Again,apologies if the questions look dumb.

 

Thank You,

Srinivas

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>Namaste Sri Sadananda garu,

>I have been a passive member so far and have enjoyed the discussions

>of the list immensely.

>I have a dumb question on your post Re: Prarabda Karma...

 

Srinivas- my teacher once told me that a dumb question is only that which

was not asked. So nothing is a dumb question, particularly in the path of

spirituality. Everyone learns by questioning and through discussions. The

forum is essentially meant for that. I am gland to learn that you are not

passive memeber anymore. Only through communication we can learn from one

another. I can explain only from what I understand from the teachings.

>

>If I understood your post correctly, once a person becomes

>jIvanmukta , the upAdhis and the prarabda karma associated with them

>are still there till death but the identification with the upAdhis

>ceases.

 

Yes, that is what Jiivanmukata means - since he has no more notions that he

is the ego-centric entity and now he has realized that he is Brahman, the

totality. Hence from his point he has no more identifications that "I am

this" and "that is separate from me". Hence Krishna says: sarvabhuutastam

aatmaanam sarvabhuutani ca aatmani - all being in himself and himself in all

beings. The one who sees (or understands) that is one who is really a yogi.

>There is no locus for his individual sanchita karma and it now

>belongs to samishhTi.

>How does this samishhTi karma work? What do you mean by "The good is

>distributed to the good and the bad is distributed to the bad" ?

>Can an individual's bad karma as a result of bad actions and thoughts

>be distributed to the society as samishhTi ? Can one transcend ego

>before reducing the sanchita karma balance to zero?

 

The last question first - yes - There is no need to reduce it to zero- only

because to start with it never belonged to him in reality anyway. akartaa

aham abhoktaa aham - never I am a doer nor an enjoyer. But when I identify

with ego, I take myself as doer and when the action is performed I tried to

own the action - as I did it and consequently the results belongs to the

doer. Hence I enjoy the consequences of this ownership in the action, good

or bad. Hence once I realize that I am not really a doer and not only that I

realize that I was never a doer - that is jiivanmukta state - The results

also I disown automatically. Ramanuja explains this with an analogy - it is

like lighting a match stick to the mountain of cotton ball. However big

that mountain is it gets to ashes in no time. But I would put it as not the

distruction of the cause but disowning the cause since according to advaita

vedanta, one is never a doer to start with and one never owns it.

 

But the law of action and results are very precise. The prakriti does the

action in His presence, the results go back to prakriti alone. prakriti

includes samishishhTi that includes the upaadhies that he had which he

identified as he himself as those upaadhi-s.

 

Now the Iswara can utilize these jiivanmukta's equipments to perform actions

- like the apartment which was originally occupied is now empty since the

ego-centric entity living is now disappeared. There is no ego-centric

entity for action since there are no ego-centric vaasana-s there to propel

the actions. Hence even though a jiivanmukta appear to act - actually

Iswara himself acts since Jiivanmukta is the one who understood that he is

Brahman - hence now it is as though Brahman will be acting. Hence

consequence of the actions by the jiivanmukta belong to Brahman that is to

everyone - good or bad. Actually it is said that those who come close to

the jiivamukta in adoration will get the good effects of those actions since

that is what they see and admire most and have a value for them. Those who

criticize and see even bad in those actions actually get the bad results of

those actions, since they have that talent to see crookedness even when it

is not crooked! If you analyze it is logical since jiivamukta appears to

act only for samishhti cause since he himself has no desires to act. Hence

samishhTi should get the good or bad results of that action. That is why it

is said that - sat sanghatva nissangatvam, nissangatve nirmohatvam,

nirmohatve nischala tatvam, nischala tatve jiivan muktaH| The great emphasis

of satsanghaH. By osmosis one absorbs the good in the others. Actually the

presence of such mahaatma will be a blessing of a life time. How many

people went and sat in front of Bhagavaan Ramana Maharshi and got lot of

mental satisfaction just being in His presence. Those who were agitated and

had no faith in the swami would end up having more agitations and would run

away from that environment.

 

That is the reason why one should not criticize mahatmaa-s without knowing

the motives behind the actions and one can never know the motives any way -

judge not though shall be judged - is a biblical statement. All the pointers

and discussions of good and bad in the scriptues is only for self evaluation

and not to evaluate others. In 18th chapter Lord discusses the satvic

actions, satvic food etc - all intended to ones growth and not to use that a

yard stick to evaluate others.

 

>Please explain.Again,apologies if the questions look dumb.

 

My thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify the concepts to the best I

can.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

 

>

>Thank You,

>Srinivas

>

 

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