Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 Hari OM! Narayana Smrithis! Blessed self. Following is a quote by Sri Sri Ravishankar... To know yourself or to judge your actions you need to know Tarka, Vitarka and Kutarka. Kutarka is wrong logic. Most people apply this logic and get caught up in ignorance. For example : The door is half open means the door is half closed. Therefore, the door is fully open means the door is fully closed! Or: God is Love. Love is Blind. Therefore, God is Blind!!! Tarka is sequential logical understanding; it increases scientific knowledge. When sequential logical understanding changes, then scientific conclusions change. For example: Pesticides and antibiotics were considered to be very useful in the past, and are now proven to be more harmful. In tarka, the paradigm changes. Vitarka is asking questions to which there are no evident answers....Who am I? Where am I? What do I really want? These philosophically appealing questions bring forth spiritual knowledge, increase your awareness and bring about the blossoming of Consciousness, i.e., Atma Gyan increases. The wise know to distinguish between the three. They will not apply kutarka or tarka for vitarka, and vitarka for tarka. With Prem & OM! Krishna Prasad --- Dennis Waite <dwaite wrote: > Dear me! I'm really having difficulty expressing myself clearly on > this one! > Can I repeat what I said last time but change some of the words? > > > The point I was making in respect of the sanskaara resulting from > the > actions of a sage is as follows (sorry I wasn't sufficiently clear > last > time!). I understand (from Gita et al) that there are three > possible > outcomes from an action viz. 'good' agaami karma from good actions > when the > action was unselfishly motivated, 'bad' agaami karma from bad > actions where > the action was carried out in the expectation of a desired outcome > for > oneself, and nil agaami karma when the action was purely in > response to the > need. > If one carried out good actions only all ones life, then the > accumulation of > karma (saMcita) would mean that at the end of one's life, one would > go to > heaven (whatever that is); if bad, one would come back as a > cockroach and if > 'pure' actions only, one would be reborn into an environment > conducive to > becoming enlightened. Isn't this the idea behind karma yoga? > My point, then, was that the sage could not carry out any good or > bad > actions since he has no selfish or unselfish motives. Therefore > there is no > sanskaara generated. Therefore neither vyashTi nor samashTi can > reap any > rewards or punishments. Is this not so? > > > So, I am not disputing what you say about the immediate benefits or > otherwise to those who are involved in the actions of the sage. My > misleading mistake was to use the word 'result' when I meant > sanskaara. But > the nub of the discussion is whether or not the saMcita karma of > participants is affected. My understanding is that it is not, as > argued > above, whereas I understood you to be saying that the saMcita karma > of > samashTi (whatever that means) *would* be affected. > > Hope this clarifies the question and my apologies for misleading > you. > > Dennis > > > Get personalized email addresses from Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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