Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 My humble pranams! Something to discuss. What is moksha? Moksha is not a thing to to be acheived. It is already there. You have to know that your are immortal, all-pervading self. To know That, is to become That. This is moksha. Open for discussion. hari om Ms. Kalaimalar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 kerly89 wrote: > My humble pranams! > > Something to discuss. > What is moksha? Moksha is not a thing to to be acheived. It is > already there. You have to know that your are immortal, all-pervading > self. To know That, is to become That. This is moksha. > > Open for discussion. > > hari om > Ms. Kalaimalar. > namaste. The best and concise description of moksha is what I came across in T.M.P. Mahadevan's book TIME AND THE TIMELESS. Mahadevan calls it this way. Moksha is not freedom for the individual. It is freedom from individuality. I deliberately used the phrase "description of moksha" above rather than "definition of moksha" because defining moksha is limiting the limitless which cannot be done. Regards Gummuluru Murthy ------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 My humble pranams to Gummuluruji Thanks for the point.Sorry I,m not very clear with the Phrase "Moksha is not freedom for the individual. It is freedom from individuality. Could you explain to me whats the different between "individual" and "indidviduality" hari om Ms. Kalaimalar. > > namaste. > > The best and concise description of moksha is what I came > across in T.M.P. Mahadevan's book TIME AND THE TIMELESS. > Mahadevan calls it this way. > > Moksha is not freedom for the individual. It is freedom > from individuality. > > I deliberately used the phrase "description of moksha" > above rather than "definition of moksha" because > defining moksha is limiting the limitless which cannot > be done. > > > Regards > Gummuluru Murthy > ------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 kerly89 wrote: > > Thanks for the point.Sorry I,m not very clear with the Phrase "Moksha > is not freedom for the individual. It is freedom from individuality. > Could you explain to me whats the different between "individual" > and "indidviduality" > > hari om > Ms. Kalaimalar. > namaste. The way i understand shri T.M.P. Mahadevan's statement "moksha is not freedom FOR the individual. But it is freedom FROM individuality". The bondage we are in is to the i, the ego, the feeling of individuality. We cannot keep that individuality and still seek freedom or moksha. What we strive for is liberation *from* that feeling of individuality. Individuality *is* the bondage and we have to strive for liberation from that individuality. Regards Gummuluru Murthy - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Hari OM! Narayana Smrithis! Blessed Self, Moksha actually is going beyond Body, Mind and Intellect, release from the Raaga Dwesha,(likes & dislikes), Release from the thought that we are this Body, and the realization of self that we are that. "TAT TWAM ASI". With Prem & OM! Krishna Prasad --- Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 kerly89 wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the point.Sorry I,m not very clear with the Phrase > "Moksha > > is not freedom for the individual. It is freedom from > individuality. > > Could you explain to me whats the different between "individual" > > and "indidviduality" > > > > hari om > > Ms. Kalaimalar. > > > > namaste. > > The way i understand shri T.M.P. Mahadevan's statement > "moksha is not freedom FOR the individual. But it is freedom > FROM individuality". > > The bondage we are in is to the i, the ego, the feeling of > individuality. We cannot keep that individuality and still > seek freedom or moksha. What we strive for is liberation > *from* that feeling of individuality. Individuality *is* > the bondage and we have to strive for liberation from that > individuality. > > Regards > Gummuluru Murthy > - > > > > > > > Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2001 Report Share Posted June 18, 2001 On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Krishna Prasad wrote: > Hari OM! Narayana Smrithis! > > Blessed Self, > > Moksha actually is going beyond Body, Mind and Intellect, release > from the Raaga Dwesha,(likes & dislikes), Release from the thought > that we are this Body, and the realization of self that we are that. > "TAT TWAM ASI". > > With Prem & OM! > > Krishna Prasad > > namaste. While agreeing with the understanding of moksha presented above, let me give the rationale for what i wrote earlier (regarding individuality) in this thread. i see the sense of individuality as the disease that prevents us from seeing what was described above. That disease (of individuality) has to be eradicated before we sense moksha or liberation. And this liberation is from that individuality (ahaMkAravyAghravyathitam: tormented by that tiger of ego). shri shankara bhagavatpAda says in vivekacUDAmaNi, verse 424 .... ahambhAvodayAbhAvo bodhasya paramAvadhiH .. (the absence of the rise of the sense of i of the ego is the culmination of Knowledge). And the culmination of Knowledge is moksha. Although we know that sense of individuality is to be dropped, how can it be done, and whether we can live up to that is a different matter. VivekacUDAmaNi by the revered bhagavatpAda is a jnAnashAstra and is the essence of the upanishads, put in a simple way. It is a practical manual how a dedicated sAdhaka with proper pre-requisites can attain moksha. There is a section in there which points out how wicked is this ego (individuality) and how it has to be chopped off for attaining moksha. Regards Gummuluru Murthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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