PGS : Atma Bodha - Verse 08

[Guest guest]

Namaste:

 

Let me add some additional points to reflect my understanding. Swami

Dayananda Saraswati explains the distinction between "Ishwara Sristi

(God's creation)," and "Jiva Sristi (human creation)." Ishwar Sristi

is the part of mAyA or Brahma Lila and Jiva Sristi is due to the

influence of 'vasanas.' For example a banana fruit is Ishwara Sristi

but some of us creates our liking and disliking for banana. Our

perception of banana varies and we call bananas as 'good,' 'bad,'

'ugly,' 'rotten,' etc. In the previous verse, the 'shining shell' is

Ishwara Sristi where as the non-existing 'silver coin' is jiva Sristi.

For our understanding, we can classifies objects as (1) created by the

Ishwara and (2)created by the Jiva due to ignorance. This

classification is again at the Vyavahara level of existence. At

Paramarthika level, Brahman alone exists and that comes by gaining the

wisdom of the Ultimate Truth.

 

regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, Vivek Anand Ganesan <v_ganesan@Y...> wrote:

> |Hari AUM|

>

> Atma Bodha Verse 08 :

> upAdAne akhilAdhAre jaganti paramEshvarE |

> sargasthitilayAnyAnti budbudAnIva vAriNi ||

>

> Translation :

> The material cause and the support of all the worlds is the

> Supreme God.

> [The World] arises, rests and dissolves [ in to the Supreme

> God ] just as bubbles in water.

[Guest guest]

>Namaste:

>

>Let me add some additional points to reflect my understanding. Swami

>Dayananda Saraswati explains the distinction between "Ishwara Sristi

>(God's creation)," and "Jiva Sristi (human creation)." Ishwar Sristi

>is the part of mAyA or Brahma Lila and Jiva Sristi is due to the

>influence of 'vasanas.'

 

Ram - we discussed some aspects of this when we talked about whether

the objects really exits or not - in waking or deep sleep etc.

 

Both jiiva and Iswara shrishhTi are due to vaasana-s - the first one

is centered on individual and the second one is centered on

collective vaasana-s which we use vaguely the term objective

reality. The first one is termed avidya and second one is termed as

maaya. Jiiva is engulfed by avidya and Iswara is maayaavi or the

master of maaya or maya is parameswara shakti - since in

consitituting Iswara, sarvaj~ntavam, sarva vyaapakatvam, sarva

shaktitvam and sarva shrisshTitvam are crystallized as the locus.

 

Jiiva's avidya includes not only the seeing shrishhTi but notion that

it is real and different from him. Jiivanmukta sees the plurality

but has no notion that the plurality is reality. He knows He alone is

real.

 

>

>For our understanding, we can classifies objects as (1) created by the

>Ishwara and (2)created by the Jiva due to ignorance. This

>classification is again at the Vyavahara level of existence. At

>Paramarthika level, Brahman alone exists and that comes by gaining the

>wisdom of the Ultimate Truth.

 

Not only that wisdom that "I am that Brahman" since I cannot dismiss

myself under any circumstances, while I can dismiss the world as well

as the creator of the world along with it!

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

 

>

>regards,

>

>Ram Chandran

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[Guest guest]

Humble pranams to all.

 

Sorry could not post and reply messages due to my PC was down for few

days.

 

Ramji I realy like the way you gave explanation on Iswara sristi and

Jeva sristi. The examples realy gave a good understanding between

both.

 

Ramji wrote:

God's creation)," and "Jiva Sristi (human creation)." Ishwar Sristi

> is the part of mAyA or Brahma Lila and Jiva Sristi is due to the

> influence of 'vasanas.' For example a banana fruit is Ishwara

Sristi

> but some of us creates our liking and disliking for banana.

 

Absolutely, Iswara created Banana and Jiva created "banana split,

banana Cake,etc acording to its like and dislike which caused by

ignorance. I have read the shinning shell, Vyavahara and paramamika

mentioned in the 1st Tamil sastra "Nana Jeevavaathe kattalai'".

 

Ramji wrote:

For our understanding, we can classifies objects as (1) created by

the

> Ishwara and (2)created by the Jiva due to ignorance.

The (1) is due vitai and the (2) is due avitai.

Am I right Ramji?

 

Hari Om

Miss kalaimalar.

 

 

 

advaitin, "Ram Chandran" <rchandran@c...> wrote:

> Namaste:

>

> Let me add some additional points to reflect my understanding.

Swami

> Dayananda Saraswati explains the distinction between "Ishwara

Sristi

> (God's creation)," and "Jiva Sristi (human creation)." Ishwar

Sristi

> is the part of mAyA or Brahma Lila and Jiva Sristi is due to the

> influence of 'vasanas.' For example a banana fruit is Ishwara

Sristi

> but some of us creates our liking and disliking for banana. Our

> perception of banana varies and we call bananas as 'good,' 'bad,'

> 'ugly,' 'rotten,' etc. In the previous verse, the 'shining shell'

is

> Ishwara Sristi where as the non-existing 'silver coin' is jiva

Sristi.

> For our understanding, we can classifies objects as (1) created by

the

> Ishwara and (2)created by the Jiva due to ignorance. This

> classification is again at the Vyavahara level of existence. At

> Paramarthika level, Brahman alone exists and that comes by gaining

the

> wisdom of the Ultimate Truth.

>

> regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

>

> advaitin, Vivek Anand Ganesan <v_ganesan@Y...> wrote:

> > |Hari AUM|

> >

> > Atma Bodha Verse 08 :

> > upAdAne akhilAdhAre jaganti paramEshvarE |

> > sargasthitilayAnyAnti budbudAnIva vAriNi ||

> >

> > Translation :

> > The material cause and the support of all the worlds is the

> > Supreme God.

> > [The World] arises, rests and dissolves [ in to the Supreme

> > God ] just as bubbles in water.