Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 namaste. The following are some ramblings. If they do not make sense, please simply disregard the post. I was thinking about the contents for a few days and the recent post by shri B.T.A. Sagarji (subject: BhagavadgItA chapter 5 cogitations), particularly the last sentence prompted me to post this. Shri Sagarji says in that last sentence "... Identifying the mind or any indriya as ours is the basis for ignorance." It is indeed so. I find this (the subject question of this post) a very simple-worded question, but if answered or contemplated on correctly, I think, will allow us to progress in our understanding of what we are. Firstly, the mind is not in the physical body. Hence, to say "my mind" does not make sense. Mind is thoughts flowing through. Even that is a thought. Mind is the generator of objects. It gives shape, size, name and form to objects, and envelops the objects for cognition. Objects may be said to be the results of the desire and the desire directs or drives the mind to the object. So, in a way, we can say (in answer to question: where is the mind?) that the mind is where the object of desire is. Now, all this is in the waking state, where the mind wanders around, generates objects, envelops objects, and cognizes them. The objects are mr^ityurUpAni - the things we see in the wake-up state are forms of death. They (the objects) die themselves and also sap the energy of the senses. In the deep-sleep state, the mind, having wandered all over during the waking state, without finding what it wants, folds into Atman, loosing its identity. All impulses for objectification which are present during the wake-up state are absent during the deep-sleep state. And during the deep-sleep state, mind and consciousness (not the Consciousness, which is ever-present, ever-awake) withdraw into their source, the Atman. I hope to take up what I understand by deep-sleep in a latter post. Regards Gummuluru Murthy -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Namaste, In Gita, Ch. 10:22 ['vibhuuti yoga'], Krishna describes as one of his 'vibhuuti'-s, the "mind" ; indriyaaNaM manaH cha asmi . in answer to Arjuna's question and request in 10:17 & 18 : 'in what several things art thou to be thought of by me?' 'Tell me in detail of Thy Power & Glory'. Regards, s. advaitin, Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy@m...> wrote: > > > I was thinking about the contents for a few days and the > recent post by shri B.T.A. Sagarji (subject: BhagavadgItA > chapter 5 cogitations), particularly the last sentence > prompted me to post this. Shri Sagarji says in that last > sentence "... Identifying the mind or any indriya as > ours is the basis for ignorance." > > It is indeed so. I find this (the subject question of this > post) a very simple-worded question, but if answered or > contemplated on correctly, I think, will allow us to progress > in our understanding of what we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Pranams Here are some commentary on mind by Bagawan Sri Ramana Maharshi to be shared. : "What is called mind is a wonderous power residing in the Self. It causes all thoughts to arise. Apart from thoughts, there is no such thing as mind. Therefore, thought is the nature of mind. Apart from thought, there is no independent entity called the world. In deep sleep there are no thoughts, and there is no world. In the states of waking and dream, there are thoughts and there is a world also. Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web) out of itself and again withdraws it into itself, likewise the mind projects the world out of itself and again resolves it into itself. When the mind comes out of the Self, the world appears. Therefore, when the world appears (to be real), the Self does not appear; and when the Self appears (shines), the world does not appear.When one persistently inquires into the nature of the mind, the mind will end leaving the Self.What is referred to as the Self is the Atman.The mind always exists always only in dependence on something gross; it cannot stay alone.It is the mind that is called the subtle body or the soul (embodied soul or jiva)." hari om miss Kalaimalar advaitin, Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy@m...> wrote: > > namaste. > > The following are some ramblings. If they do not make > sense, please simply disregard the post. > > I was thinking about the contents for a few days and the > recent post by shri B.T.A. Sagarji (subject: BhagavadgItA > chapter 5 cogitations), particularly the last sentence > prompted me to post this. Shri Sagarji says in that last > sentence "... Identifying the mind or any indriya as > ours is the basis for ignorance." > > It is indeed so. I find this (the subject question of this > post) a very simple-worded question, but if answered or > contemplated on correctly, I think, will allow us to progress > in our understanding of what we are. > > Firstly, the mind is not in the physical body. Hence, to say > "my mind" does not make sense. Mind is thoughts flowing through. > Even that is a thought. > > Mind is the generator of objects. It gives shape, size, name and > form to objects, and envelops the objects for cognition. Objects > may be said to be the results of the desire and the desire directs > or drives the mind to the object. So, in a way, we can say > (in answer to question: where is the mind?) that the mind is where > the object of desire is. > > Now, all this is in the waking state, where the mind wanders around, > generates objects, envelops objects, and cognizes them. The objects > are mr^ityurUpAni - the things we see in the wake-up state are forms > of death. They (the objects) die themselves and also sap the energy > of the senses. > > In the deep-sleep state, the mind, having wandered all over during > the waking state, without finding what it wants, folds into Atman, > loosing its identity. All impulses for objectification which are > present during the wake-up state are absent during the deep-sleep > state. And during the deep-sleep state, mind and consciousness > (not the Consciousness, which is ever-present, ever-awake) withdraw > into their source, the Atman. > > I hope to take up what I understand by deep-sleep in a latter post. > > Regards > Gummuluru Murthy > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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