Guest guest Posted July 22, 2001 Report Share Posted July 22, 2001 Dear Siddhartha, It was certainly interesting to see various responses to Ranjani ji's questions. However, I am unclear of a statement you made >The fact is that neither this world was born, neither any >Jivatman, neither there is any sadhaka nor there is any >bondage nor there is any moksha. So many seers and saints are striving for moksha. Does that mean that moksha is also caught in the web of maya? Thanks, Niranjan sidha wrote: > Dear Ranjani Ji, > >>>>>I have some questions at this point. Why, in the first place, does the > atma have to go through this journey till it realises the Paramatma? We say > that the atma started from the Paramatma. Why start at all? It was with the > Paramatma in the first place. Why should each and every single unit of the > Paramatma, otherwise known as the atma, go through this exercise of birth > and rebirth to acchieve Mukti? > > I totally agree with Respected Sadananda Ji's statements about your > questions. > To me it seems, the answer to these problems can only be provided from the > point of view of Ajativada of Gaudapadacharya (the grand master of > Shankara). > na nirodho no chotpattirna baddho na ca sadhakah. The fact is that neither > this world was born, neither any Jivatman, neither there is any sadhaka nor > there is any bondage nor there is any moksha. Everything is just a game of > ignorance. Its like the game of a magician. We are dispelled by the magical > contents. > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2001 Report Share Posted July 22, 2001 Hari OM! Narayana Smrithis! Blessed Self, Questioning and Reasoning of the intellect never stops......! If we are not identifying with our Body, Mind, Intellect, then we are liberated! But just by saying that I do not have identification with BMI itself is ignorance. So when people get liberated they are free from the bondage created by body, Mind & intellect, but to get liberated we need these as instruments. so after getting liberation, even though we have all these, we are not identified with it.....For whom these world?? is only when we attached to our MIND!... is it not... (there is world, there is things, there is the concept of Moksha etc... That is why Sastras says THAT THOU ART... You are already that...! In the supreme consciousness there is no moksha,neither this world was born, neither any Jivatman, neither there is any sadhaka nor there is any bondage nor there is any moksha. with Prem & OM! Krishna Prasad --- Niranjan Konduri <niranjan wrote: > Dear Siddhartha, > > It was certainly interesting to see various responses > to Ranjani ji's questions. However, I am unclear of > a statement you made > > >The fact is that neither this world was born, neither any > >Jivatman, neither there is any sadhaka nor there is any > >bondage nor there is any moksha. > > So many seers and saints are striving for moksha. > Does that mean that moksha is also caught in the web of maya? > > Thanks, > Niranjan > > > sidha wrote: > > > Dear Ranjani Ji, > > >>>>>I have some questions at this point. Why, in the first > place, does the > > atma have to go through this journey till it realises the > Paramatma? We say > > that the atma started from the Paramatma. Why start at all? It > was with the > > Paramatma in the first place. Why should each and every single > unit of the > > Paramatma, otherwise known as the atma, go through this exercise > of birth > > and rebirth to acchieve Mukti? > > > > I totally agree with Respected Sadananda Ji's statements about > your > > questions. > > To me it seems, the answer to these problems can only be provided > from the > > point of view of Ajativada of Gaudapadacharya (the grand master > of > > Shankara). > > na nirodho no chotpattirna baddho na ca sadhakah. The fact is > that neither > > this world was born, neither any Jivatman, neither there is any > sadhaka nor > > there is any bondage nor there is any moksha. Everything is just > a game of > > ignorance. Its like the game of a magician. We are dispelled by > the magical > > contents. > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of > nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > > Messages Archived at: > advaitin/messages > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 Dear Niranjan Ji, I think you need to understand the whole concept of Moksha. Moksha is a state in which a person realizes what he was, is and would be. In fact a person is always Mukta, but he doesn't know its presence. You might understand it with a simile. A very poor person sleeps on a place in his house, where his forefathers have concealed a big fortune in the earth beneath him. He sleeps on it, but he is not aware of its presence, thus he feels so unhappy. One day somebody comes and tells him the secret, and he becomes happy. Everything was there, but he wasn't aware of its presence. It is the same with Moksha. After a person obtains it, he feels that he got nothing, everything was present there, he was just not aware of its presence. Thus, when there is nothing, as Bhagavan Gaudapada tells, there is no bondage, then when there is no bondage, from where can the moksha to it come. That is what the Grandmaster of Bhagavan Shankaracharya means. Loving Regards, Siddhartha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2001 Report Share Posted July 23, 2001 On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Niranjan Konduri wrote: > [...] > > So many seers and saints are striving for moksha. > Does that mean that moksha is also caught in the web of maya? > > Thanks, > Niranjan > namaste. My two cents worth of understanding on this. There is no moksha, if there is no ignorance. If you think there is ignorance, there is moksha. I call moksha is liberation from that ignorance (of bondage). If you do not think and feel you are in bondage, you do not need that liberation. You are ever-free. The knowledge that you are ever-free (of ShaDbhAva-vikAra such as birth, death etc) is jnAnam. Regards Gummuluru Murthy - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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