Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Om Nama Shivaya Dear Friends: When we think of Mahabharatha, one of the most outstanding characters that comes to mind is Karna. A distinguished warrior, a kind soul, a true leader. . . the list is endless. But to me, his character evokes profound sadness. He is a hero trapped in the villain's' camp. He is ridiculed at every step by all the prominent people. Even Bhagavan Sri Krishna and King Indra manipulate his kind acts to give Arjuna the advantage. The great Bhishma refuses to fight along with Karna. During the battle between Karna and Arjuna, Krishna intervenes and helps Arjuna escape. And while Karna is struggling with his chariot, Krishna urges Arjuna to shoot him with an arrow. And in the end, when Karna lies dying, Krishna comes to him as a poor Brahmin and asks for Karna's good deeds as bhiksha. And the great Karna, even at that moment of life and death, when he has every reason to refuse, gives the Brahmin all his good deeds as alms. What explanation is there for such turmoil for Karna? Why was he tested in this way? I have read that justice and injustice do not really exist. A true seeker of Brahman is beyond what ordinary men call justice. But what is the explanation for such actions, especially that of the Lord's. Perhaps I am too much of a novice to understand the meanings by myself. So please comment. Also, there was this article from the Hindu about the need to avoid offensive remarks. (Pl. see article below, dated July 17). The example of Arjuna offending Karna is given. The point that stands out (to me) is that even though it was Arjuna who uttered the offensive remarks, he got away with them. It is Karna who suffers a lot and dies in the end. Arjuna gains victory in the end. Why was such an example used then? I am unable to understand the point being made. Pl. clarify. Humble pranams. Ranjani >From The Hindu.... Stress on need to avoid offensive remarks CHENNAI, JULY 17. One among the several instructions contained in our scriptural literature, to lead a life of purity and nobility gives a severe warning to guard oneself against careless speech. A person may be intelligent but he should be extremely restrained in passing remarks about another's conduct or of his birth or his status which is sure to offend him. A thoughtless harsh statement cannot be erased and a familiar comparison points out how even grains of paddy scattered on the floor can be gathered but not offensive words which had flown out of an angry person. One of our epics mentions how the wounding words by a prince against another who was ready to challenge his valour, because he hailed from a lower stratum and hence was of no match to him resulted in the constant tussle between them at a later stage. This demoralised man, who was made a ruler by the rival group and became an invincible hero, presents a strange picture of both good and bad features. He did not play a direct role in the wicked designs of his associates. He was Karna, the hero who remained grateful to the king who made him a prince and treated him as a very valuable ally to his end. He knew that it would be very difficult to conquer Arjuna, his enemy, because Lord Krishna was his charioteer. An adverse factor was the curse inflicted on him by his teacher that he would forget the divine incantations when he needed them. In his Mahabharatam lecture, Sri K.P. Arivanandam said, when Karna took charge of the Kaurava forces on the 17th day of the Kurukshetra battle, he desired to have a charioteer who would be equal to Krishna, who was handling the reins of the horses of Arjuna's vehicle. However, this expert, who after good deal of coaxing by Duryodhana, agreed to assume the responsibility, was not so favourably disposed towards Karna and was always in the habit of taunting him and discouraging him from concentrating on his task. Yet with all the strength at his command, Karna fought in a fierce manner and wiped out many and when in the end, he came face to face with Arjuna, by divine intervention, the arrow, which he aimed, missed the target and only removed the crown of his opponent. This was possible because Krishna at the nick of time pressed the vehicle down when it went a foot deep in the mire. Later accepting the Lord's command, Arjuna sent a dart that severed Karna's head. The Mahabharatam presents a grand panorama of good and evil and how those who cling to former will certainly be rewarded with success. Copyrights © 2001 The Hindu Republication or redissemination of the contents of this screen are expressly prohibited without the written consent of The Hindu _________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com. Find out how companies are linking mobile users to the enterprise with Visto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Namaste Ranjaniji: Let me try to explanin my understanding of your excellent observation regarding the role of Karna in Mahabharata. All characters in the Drama of Mahabharat including Krishna, Bhisma, Vidura, Dhrona, Aswathama, Dhridhrastra, Kandari,Dhryodhana, Kunthi, Draupadi, Dharma, Bhima, Arjuna, Nakula, Sakadeva and others have to experience both joy and sorrow sometime or other. The drama of Mahabharata is staged to educate us about the perils of our worldly life. The Upanishadic advice to all of us is: "Life is a bridge, enjoy while crossing and don't build any castels." Before I continue any further, let me pose you with the question: "Find one character in either Mahabharat or Ramayana who didn't experience sorrow or sufferings?" I believe that the answer is quite simple and no such character exists in any drama of worldly life where our perception don't go beyond our intellectual conception of 'sorrow and joy." An easy answer to your question is that 'Karna is no exception!' This is a good time to go back and read chapter II of Gita where Lord Krishna logically asserts why Arjuna's rationalization is wrong. A similar argument can be constructed on same line why your (our) belief that "Great injustice has been done to Karna" is wrong. The best way to reconcile for you is to sit down, contemplate taking some additional time and convince your self. I honestly don't believe that I can convince you using a logical framework of my choice because all such frameworks have limitations and flaws and will not be universally agreeable. Coming back to Karna, his greatest virtue is "ability to give all his possessions without any reservation." This greatest virtue is God's gift and he wanted to protect this treasure at all costs. Whether he felt sorrow or pain can never be answerable either by you or me or anyone. The purpose of his life story is to educate us the 'virtue of giving' and the importance of detachment to all our possessions! Every character of Mahabharat is constructed by the greatest teacher, Vedavyasa to educate us to lead a better life. The illustrates why we should follow the footsteps of Dharmaputra (for truthfulness and dharmic), Bhishma (unselfish and valiant), Bhima (brave and strong), Karna (loyalty, friendship and generosity), Arjuna (compassion and spiritual seeking) and others. Mahabharata also implicit instructions to us what characters that we shouldn't follow: for example, we shouldn't follow Dhryodhana (adharma and attachment to possessions) or Sakuni (cunning and deceiving). Finally, let me turn to your concern regarding Arjuna's harsh and offensive words against Karna: Because of those offensive words of Arjuna, Karna determined to kill Arjuna at an opportune moment. Offensive words leave permanent scars in the minds and the Karna-Arjuna encounter is a great example to illustrate this point. Arjuna's life was spared only with the intervention of Lord Krishna and without Him, he would have perished in the war. Also Karna was fighting the war against the Pandavas because of his loyalty to his friend but he is Dharmic and his heart and soul were on the side of Pandavas and he just wanted to sacrifice his body for the sake of his friend. The answer to the final question: why Lord Krishna asks Karna to donate the `good deeds that karna earned?' is quite simple. Liberation is impossible with any possessions - good or bad, and Lord Krishna with great compassion to Karna was showering His Grace to the virtuous Karna. This final gesture made Karna an immortal soul and he is (will be) remembered for ever by everyone for his great virtue of generosity. Those who read the story of Mahabharat can never forget the unique and complex character - Karna and he is one of the most admired heroes on the side of Kauravas! warmest regards, Ram Chandran Note: After the death of Karna and Dutchadhana in the war, Kunthi and Kandari went to Lord Krishna and asked him why they have to lose them. Lord Krishna consoles them and explained to them that every Jiva who is born will have to die after completing the expected karma. This is predestined by the Lord and there can be no exceptions. Kunthi and Kanthari replied to the Lord: "It is easy for the Lord to say that everyone has to die as destined, but it is impossible for the mother to accept the death of her son!" The Lord is detached and is free from sorrows and joys and mother who is attached has to suffer due to the loss of her possession. When we spiritually grow, we can become detached and our attitude changes and we can easily follow the advice of the Upanishad and take life as a bridge and we can enjoy crossing it without building any castels. advaitin, "Ranjani Narayanan" <ranjanin@v...> wrote: > Om Nama Shivaya > > Dear Friends: > > When we think of Mahabharatha, one of the most outstanding characters that comes to mind is Karna. A distinguished warrior, a kind soul, a true leader. . . the list is endless. > > But to me, his character evokes profound sadness. He is a hero trapped in the villain's' camp. He is ridiculed at every step by all the prominent people. Even Bhagavan Sri Krishna and King Indra manipulate his kind acts to give Arjuna the advantage. The great Bhishma refuses to fight along with Karna. During the battle between Karna and Arjuna, Krishna intervenes and helps Arjuna escape. And while Karna is struggling with his chariot, Krishna urges Arjuna to shoot him with an arrow. 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Om Nama Shivaya A big thanks to Sri Ram Chandran for his enlightening observations. I took his advice and started reflecting about Karna's story and about why what happened, happened. I have also started studying the Geetha's second chapter. These were a few thoughts I had and I thought that they would benefit the whole group. Every story has its share of joys and sorrow and as in life, these are not permanent. Characters go through ups and downs so that we as readers can understand certain lessons. Karna's character has a lot to teach us. His virtues are to be emulated by every human being. Karna's trials and tribulations can indeed be easily explained as a no exception. Every one has these ups and downs. Karna had his share. But I am not able to understand why the Lord himself took active part in bringing about Karna's several trials. When Karna went to try his luck at shooting the fish to get Draupadi's hand, Krishna prompted Draupadi to say that she will not marry the son of a charioteer. Krishna made Indra go to Karna and ask for his protective armour. Krishna aided in disabling Karna's chariot. Krishna asked Arjuna to shoot Karna when he was without bow and arrow. And in the end, Krishna liberated Karna from his good deeds. Sri Ram Chandran explained the last part beautifully. I request you to please shed light on the others too. It is not just the Lord's actions towards Karna that are a bit puzzling. Sri Krishna avathar is probably the most puzzling of all avathars. For example, Sri Rama stood as an avathaara purusha. He taught the common man the way to mukthi. His actions and message was straightforward and simple and easy to understand. But Sri Krishna has done a lot of things that needs man to educate himself and to think for himself to understand. One such action is the use of Shikandi to defeat Bhishma. Another is making Yudhishtira announce the death of Asshwatthaama, the elephant, and blowing his conch while Yudhishtira says the word elephant. Please forgive me if my observations are too basic. I feel I am a kinder-garden student in this education of life. Please bear with me. Thank you. Humble pranams. Ranjani Ram Chandran rchandran Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:13:10 -0000 advaitin Re: Karna's Karma Namaste Ranjaniji: Let me try to explanin my understanding of your excellent observation regarding the role of Karna in Mahabharata. All characters in the Drama of Mahabharat including Krishna, Bhisma, Vidura, Dhrona, Aswathama, Dhridhrastra, Kandari,Dhryodhana, Kunthi, Draupadi, Dharma, Bhima, Arjuna, Nakula, Sakadeva and others have to experience both joy and sorrow sometime or other. The drama of Mahabharata is staged to educate us about the perils of our worldly life. The Upanishadic advice to all of us is: "Life is a bridge, enjoy while crossing and don't build any castels." Before I continue any further, let me pose you with the question: "Find one character in either Mahabharat or Ramayana who didn't experience sorrow or sufferings?" I believe that the answer is quite simple and no such character exists in any drama of worldly life where our perception don't go beyond our intellectual conception of 'sorrow and joy." An easy answer to your question is that 'Karna is no exception!' This is a good time to go back and read chapter II of Gita where Lord Krishna logically asserts why Arjuna's rationalization is wrong. A similar argument can be constructed on same line why your (our) belief that "Great injustice has been done to Karna" is wrong. The best way to reconcile for you is to sit down, contemplate taking some additional time and convince your self. I honestly don't believe that I can convince you using a logical framework of my choice because all such frameworks have limitations and flaws and will not be universally agreeable. Coming back to Karna, his greatest virtue is "ability to give all his possessions without any reservation." This greatest virtue is God's gift and he wanted to protect this treasure at all costs. Whether he felt sorrow or pain can never be answerable either by you or me or anyone. The purpose of his life story is to educate us the 'virtue of giving' and the importance of detachment to all our possessions! Every character of Mahabharat is constructed by the greatest teacher, Vedavyasa to educate us to lead a better life. The illustrates why we should follow the footsteps of Dharmaputra (for truthfulness and dharmic), Bhishma (unselfish and valiant), Bhima (brave and strong), Karna (loyalty, friendship and generosity), Arjuna (compassion and spiritual seeking) and others. Mahabharata also implicit instructions to us what characters that we shouldn't follow: for example, we shouldn't follow Dhryodhana (adharma and attachment to possessions) or Sakuni (cunning and deceiving). Finally, let me turn to your concern regarding Arjuna's harsh and offensive words against Karna: Because of those offensive words of Arjuna, Karna determined to kill Arjuna at an opportune moment. Offensive words leave permanent scars in the minds and the Karna-Arjuna encounter is a great example to illustrate this point. Arjuna's life was spared only with the intervention of Lord Krishna and without Him, he would have perished in the war. Also Karna was fighting the war against the Pandavas because of his loyalty to his friend but he is Dharmic and his heart and soul were on the side of Pandavas and he just wanted to sacrifice his body for the sake of his friend. The answer to the final question: why Lord Krishna asks Karna to donate the `good deeds that karna earned?' is quite simple. Liberation is impossible with any possessions - good or bad, and Lord Krishna with great compassion to Karna was showering His Grace to the virtuous Karna. This final gesture made Karna an immortal soul and he is (will be) remembered for ever by everyone for his great virtue of generosity. Those who read the story of Mahabharat can never forget the unique and complex character - Karna and he is one of the most admired heroes on the side of Kauravas! warmest regards, Ram Chandran Note: After the death of Karna and Dutchadhana in the war, Kunthi and Kandari went to Lord Krishna and asked him why they have to lose them. Lord Krishna consoles them and explained to them that every Jiva who is born will have to die after completing the expected karma. This is predestined by the Lord and there can be no exceptions. Kunthi and Kanthari replied to the Lord: "It is easy for the Lord to say that everyone has to die as destined, but it is impossible for the mother to accept the death of her son!" The Lord is detached and is free from sorrows and joys and mother who is attached has to suffer due to the loss of her possession. When we spiritually grow, we can become detached and our attitude changes and we can easily follow the advice of the Upanishad and take life as a bridge and we can enjoy crossing it without building any castels. advaitin, "Ranjani Narayanan" <ranjanin@v...> wrote: > Om Nama Shivaya > > Dear Friends: > > When we think of Mahabharatha, one of the most outstanding characters that comes to mind is Karna. A distinguished warrior, a kind soul, a true leader. . . the list is endless. > > But to me, his character evokes profound sadness. He is a hero trapped in the villain's' camp. He is ridiculed at every step by all the prominent people. Even Bhagavan Sri Krishna and King Indra manipulate his kind acts to give Arjuna the advantage. The great Bhishma refuses to fight along with Karna. During the battle between Karna and Arjuna, Krishna intervenes and helps Arjuna escape. And while Karna is struggling with his chariot, Krishna urges Arjuna to shoot him with an arrow. 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Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Hari OM! Narayana Smrithis! Blessed Self Bhagwan Sri Krishna is Poornavatar, Sri Ramachandra is Amsavatar. We cannot justify What Bhagwan Sri Krishna is Playing... that is called Leela. We should be "realised" to know or understand that. We can never know what is happening in the Waking state while we are dreaming. Sri Krishna is the Inner voice in all of us... That is why Sri Krishna says, Do what I say, do not do what I do. For the destruction of Adharma and restablishment of Dharma he will play lot of tricks... Karna, Bishma, Aswathama all these people were in the side of Adharma,I mean Dhuriyodhana's side, to establish Dharma only Sri Krishna took avatar. With love & OM Krishna Prasad --- Ranjani Narayanan <ranjanin wrote: > Om Nama Shivaya > > A big thanks to Sri Ram Chandran for his enlightening observations. > I took his advice and started reflecting about Karna's story and > about why what happened, happened. I have also started studying the > Geetha's second chapter. These were a few thoughts I had and I > thought that they would benefit the whole group. > > Every story has its share of joys and sorrow and as in life, these > are not permanent. Characters go through ups and downs so that we > as readers can understand certain lessons. Karna's character has a > lot to teach us. His virtues are to be emulated by every human > being. > > Karna's trials and tribulations can indeed be easily explained as a > no exception. Every one has these ups and downs. Karna had his > share. But I am not able to understand why the Lord himself took > active part in bringing about Karna's several trials. When Karna > went to try his luck at shooting the fish to get Draupadi's hand, > Krishna prompted Draupadi to say that she will not marry the son of > a charioteer. Krishna made Indra go to Karna and ask for his > protective armour. Krishna aided in disabling Karna's chariot. > Krishna asked Arjuna to shoot Karna when he was without bow and > arrow. And in the end, Krishna liberated Karna from his good deeds. > > Sri Ram Chandran explained the last part beautifully. I request you > to please shed light on the others too. > > > It is not just the Lord's actions towards Karna that are a bit > puzzling. Sri Krishna avathar is probably the most puzzling of all > avathars. For example, Sri Rama stood as an avathaara purusha. He > taught the common man the way to mukthi. His actions and message > was straightforward and simple and easy to understand. But Sri > Krishna has done a lot of things that needs man to educate himself > and to think for himself to understand. One such action is the use > of Shikandi to defeat Bhishma. Another is making Yudhishtira > announce the death of Asshwatthaama, the elephant, and blowing his > conch while Yudhishtira says the word elephant. > > > Please forgive me if my observations are too basic. I feel I am a > kinder-garden student in this education of life. Please bear with > me. > > Thank you. > Humble pranams. > Ranjani > > > > > > > Ram Chandran rchandran > Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:13:10 -0000 > advaitin > Re: Karna's Karma > > > Namaste Ranjaniji: > > Let me try to explanin my understanding of your excellent > observation > regarding the role of Karna in Mahabharata. > > All characters in the Drama of Mahabharat including Krishna, > Bhisma, > Vidura, Dhrona, Aswathama, Dhridhrastra, Kandari,Dhryodhana, > Kunthi, > Draupadi, Dharma, Bhima, Arjuna, Nakula, Sakadeva and others have > to > experience both joy and sorrow sometime or other. The drama of > Mahabharata is staged to educate us about the perils of our worldly > > life. The Upanishadic advice to all of us is: "Life is a bridge, > enjoy while crossing and don't build any castels." > > Before I continue any further, let me pose you with the question: > "Find one character in either Mahabharat or Ramayana who didn't > experience sorrow or sufferings?" I believe that the answer is > quite > simple and no such character exists in any drama of worldly life > where > our perception don't go beyond our intellectual conception of > 'sorrow > and joy." An easy answer to your question is that 'Karna is no > exception!' This is a good time to go back and read chapter II of > Gita > where Lord Krishna logically asserts why Arjuna's rationalization > is > wrong. A similar argument can be constructed on same line why your > > (our) belief that "Great injustice has been done to Karna" is > wrong. > The best way to reconcile for you is to sit down, contemplate > taking > some additional time and convince your self. I honestly don't > believe > that I can convince you using a logical framework of my choice > because > all such frameworks have limitations and flaws and will not be > universally agreeable. > > Coming back to Karna, his greatest virtue is "ability to give all > his > possessions without any reservation." This greatest virtue is God's > > gift and he wanted to protect this treasure at all costs. Whether > he > felt sorrow or pain can never be answerable either by you or me or > anyone. The purpose of his life story is to educate us the 'virtue > of > giving' and the importance of detachment to all our possessions! > Every > character of Mahabharat is constructed by the greatest teacher, > Vedavyasa to educate us to lead a better life. The illustrates why > we > should follow the footsteps of Dharmaputra (for truthfulness and > dharmic), Bhishma (unselfish and valiant), Bhima (brave and > strong), > Karna (loyalty, friendship and generosity), Arjuna (compassion and > spiritual seeking) and others. Mahabharata also implicit > instructions > to us what characters that we shouldn't follow: for example, we > shouldn't follow Dhryodhana (adharma and attachment to > possessions) > or Sakuni (cunning and deceiving). > > Finally, let me turn to your concern regarding Arjuna's harsh and > offensive words against Karna: Because of those offensive words of > Arjuna, Karna determined to kill Arjuna at an opportune moment. > Offensive words leave permanent scars in the minds and the > Karna-Arjuna encounter is a great example to illustrate this point. > > Arjuna's life was spared only with the intervention of Lord Krishna > > and without Him, he would have perished in the war. Also Karna was > fighting the war against the Pandavas because of his loyalty to his > > friend but he is Dharmic and his heart and soul were on the side of > > Pandavas and he just wanted to sacrifice his body for the sake of > his > friend. The answer to the final question: why Lord Krishna asks > Karna to donate the `good deeds that karna earned?' is quite > simple. > Liberation is impossible with any possessions - good or bad, and > Lord > Krishna with great compassion to Karna was showering His Grace to > the > virtuous Karna. This final gesture made Karna an immortal soul and > he > is (will be) remembered for ever by everyone for his great virtue > of > generosity. Those who read the story of Mahabharat can never > forget > the unique and complex character - Karna and he is one of the most > admired heroes on the side of Kauravas! > > warmest regards, > > Ram Chandran > > Note: After the death of Karna and Dutchadhana in the war, Kunthi > and > Kandari went to Lord Krishna and asked him why they have to lose > them. > Lord Krishna consoles them and explained to them that every Jiva > who > is born will have to die after completing the expected karma. This > is > predestined by the Lord and there can be no exceptions. Kunthi and > > Kanthari replied to the Lord: "It is easy for the Lord to say that > everyone has to die as destined, but it is impossible for the > mother > to accept the death of her son!" The Lord is detached and is free > from sorrows and joys and mother who is attached has to suffer due > to > the loss of her possession. When we spiritually grow, we can > become > detached and our attitude changes and we can easily follow the > advice > of the Upanishad and take life as a bridge and we can enjoy > crossing > it without building any castels. > > > advaitin, "Ranjani Narayanan" <ranjanin@v...> wrote: > > Om Nama Shivaya > > > > Dear Friends: > > > > When we think of Mahabharatha, one of the most outstanding > characters that comes to mind is Karna. A distinguished warrior, a > kind soul, a true leader. . . the list is endless. > > > > But to me, his character evokes profound sadness. He is a hero > trapped in the villain's' camp. He is ridiculed at every step by > all > === message truncated === Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2001 Report Share Posted July 25, 2001 Ranjani Narayanan wrote: > > [...] > > I am not able to understand why the Lord himself took active part > in bringing about Karna's several trials. > hariH OM! sri ranjani- yes, ramji's explanation was *quite* beautiful. i would only add one observation, which might help to shed light on your important question. the teachings of krishna, which were equally being transmitted through his [the] directing itself of the players in the war, demonstrated by poignant examples and were tantamount to the Life directives of isvara, the entified [jivatman of the] saguna brahman. which directives are inscrutable! this latter insight is the final teaching at the very threshold of Liberation itself! to sacrifice the whole career of the colossal urge to reduce That unfathomable Mystery--which *is* brahman [and Its projection into the leela or Play of Life]--to a manageable reasonableness. this is the role of Mind. ....destroyer of wonder! (which latter, neverending, *is* the pulse moksha itself.) Logic is a relentless bull-tyrant! the ego-Mind (having spawned such obsessive desire to "know") is the serpent of avidya. all there is finally "to know" is that there is in fact finally nothing to know. that's it! (if this fails to resonate, with even the sense of some kind of imminent "shift," then perhaps it would be good to consider quitting the pursuit of the art of knowing, and commence practicing *the art of Being*. which, incidentally, we've *already* mastered, but continue to *reason* that we haven't! yes? no? :-) OM ramanarpanamasthu! namaste, frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2001 Report Share Posted July 26, 2001 Namaste. Here is my 2cents of understanding. Karna failed Lord's tests each and every time ! We may think that by giving away what was asked each time, Karna excelled. However, because he failed each time, Lord was kind to give him more opportunities because he was a hero. Thinking of it, does Lord need Karna's kavacha, kundala, good deeds, etc ? Why did Karna fail ? Because by each such act, Lord was granting him a new opportunity to get rid of Karna's only great attachment; the attachment he developed due to personal gains received by him. But, Karna never went beyond the physical aspects of daana and did not get the hint. Further, attachment leads to adharma, which is evident in this case. It was not because Karna loves adharma, but, because attachment led to it without he knowing it. Relentless that the Lord is, He gave Karna one final chance at this death moments. This time he succeeds ! He asks him to surrender all his good deeds to the Lord. Karna thus surrenders his good deeds perhaps followed by surrendering and extinguishing his karma thereby leading to an undocumented aatma-jnaanam at his final moments with Krishna by his side. By the way, by way of 'daana', Lord never asked for any abstract things like 'give up adahrma' etc. He asked for only plain physical things such as kavacha, etc. This is true with others as well such as Harischandra, Bali, Shibi, etc. At the last moments of Karna, the surrendering of good deeds and karma along with it, also became physical, so the Lord asked perhaps. With Love, Raghava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 namaste Ramasubramanian-ji, That was a scholarly and educational presentation on Karna which you made. I have learnt a lot from that post. Mahabharata has many characters like that. Ekalavya's episode is another one. I wonder if you can, based on the original, comment on Arjuna's and DroNa's roles and any justification or otherwise in Ekalavya's right thumb being asked as gurudakshiNa. Regards Gummuluru Murthy - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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