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Respected Group Members,

 

I feel the need to remind the members of this list

about the following point that the modern Vedantists

have apparently forgotten.

 

What is Shruti after all ?

 

Vedas is the limitless knowledge on all aspects of

Life that is contained in the storehouse of Brahman.

Every single one of us has access to this storehouse.

All we need to develop is an ability to tap into the

storehouse of Brahman and retrieve that portion of the

Vedas that concerns the issue that we would like to

obtain insights into. The portions of the Vedas that

various illustrious individuals starting from the

likes of Hiranyagarbha and Shiva, prajapatis, and

innumerable rishis have retrieved from time to time

from this storehouse and have recorded, is Shruti -

the Vedic literature. But this is just a sampling of

the infinite Vedic knowledge. EVERY SINGLE BEING, even

an ant or an amoeba has direct access to the eternal

Vedas.

 

I would eagerly await the day when we don't feel the

need to rely so heavily on a small sampling of the

Vedas that the society has managed to preserve. Vedic

literature has to be dynamically updated by tapping

into the store house of Brahman. Each one of us should

strive to reach a position where one can say that what

he/she is saying is based on direct experience and

hence by DEFINITION it is Shruti. I also find that the

Vedanta community does not respect modern individuals

who can retrieve Shruti from the storehouse of

Brahman. Surprisingly this same community, however,

holds very highly individuals who could achieve this

feat thousands of years ago.

 

I apologize for this rather strongly worded message.

But I had to say this.

 

Best regards

Shrinivas

 

 

 

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>What is Shruti after all ?

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>I apologize for this rather strongly worded message.

>But I had to say this.

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>Best regards

>Shrinivas

 

Shree Shrinivas,

 

Good you said it - now you do not have to carry it on your chest as a

burden. Your catholic understanding of 'What is Shruti after all?'

is laudable, but I doubt if it can withstand the rigor of a

pramaaNa.

 

Hari OM!

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namaste shri srinivas-ji,

 

That was an interesting post and observation. Let me state

my viewpoint on this.

 

In brahmavidyA, what is to be known was known. There is

nothing new to discover or invent. Thus, it is but natural,

it seems to me, that we look to the ancients and compare

our experiences with the ancients' experiences.

 

Quite often, human experience is not always the Truth. That

is another reason why we have to calibrate our experiences

with that of the ancient sages. I feel this (comparison of

our experiences with that of the ancient sages, and also

sometimes being skeptical of the experiences of the modern

individuals) is not a modern-day phenomenon but was going

on in time.

 

This would be natural if (i) we accept that the ancient sages

have *seen* the Truth and have stated That in the upanishads,

and (ii) also there is only one Truth and hence invariably

the modern individuals have also to see the same Truth.

 

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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Namaskaaram

 

I doubt if "Shruti" could be referred to as Vedic Literature.

 

Quoting from http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part5/chap7.htm

titled "Sound and Creation", (translation - His Holiness Sri

Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi MahaSwamiji) :

 

The Vedas are called "Sruti. " That which is heard is Sruti. "Srotra"

means the "ear". The Vedas have been handed down orally from

generation to generation and have not been taught or learned from any

written text. That is how they got the name of "Sruti". Why were these

scriptures not permitted to be written down? Because the sound of the

Vedas cannot be properly transcribed.

 

 

Venkatesh

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> What is Shruti after all ?

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>The portions of the Vedas ...[snip] ...

> retrieved from time to time

> from this storehouse and have recorded, is Shruti -

> the Vedic literature.

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Namaste Shrinivasji:

 

 

You have made some insightful observations on the potential for each

of us to access the storehouse of Brahman. Your observation does

confirm with the fact, "the knower of the Brahman knows everything

that needs to be known." All Vedantins whether ancient or modern

agree that with "Self-realization," we can have full access to the

storehouse of Brhaman that you are referring to.

 

Let me state my understanding of the question: "What is shruti after

all?" First we need to recognize that 'shruti' or 'sabda' (both mean

'sound' which means 'directly heard from Brahman') denote the 'Vedas'

as compiled by Vedavyasa. The Scriptures are classified into 'Shruti'

(free from human perception and interpretation) and 'Smriti'(human

perception and subject to interpretation.

 

As Sri Gummuluruji correctly pointed out that Vedantins both modern

and ancient have no choice other than to respect the Vedas as the most

authoritative source to learn the Brahma Vidya for human liberation.

The Truth of Vedanta Philosophies of Sri Shankara, Sri Ramanuja and

Sri Madhava can not be verified without the Vedas.

 

The emergence of religions such as Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism,

Christianity, Islam and personalities such as Buddha, Mahavir,

Gurunank, Christ, Mohamad confirm that the store house of the Brahman

is huge. evidenced from the emerge of many religions, saints, sages,

scientists and written and spoken materials. The source book of

Hinduism, Islam and Christianity are respectively Vedas, the Q'ron,

and the Bible.

 

In conclusion, I do not see the validity for treating the words of

intuition from saints, sages and scientists as the Vedas. The

knowledge and wisdom of saints, sages and scientists are always highly

respected by both the modern and ancient Vedantins.

 

warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, Shrinivas Gadkari <sgadkari2001> wrote:

> Respected Group Members,

>

> I feel the need to remind the members of this list

> about the following point that the modern Vedantists

> have apparently forgotten.

>

> What is Shruti after all ?

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Shrinivas Gadkari wrote:

>

> What is Shruti after all ?

>

> [...] Each one of us should

> strive to reach a position where one can say that what

> he/she is saying is based on direct experience and

> hence by DEFINITION it is Shruti.

 

 

hariH OM!

namaskaar.

 

this is an important point, with significant implications.

 

however, whether or not a given insight or revelation

reaches any consensus among any number of people, who

will in turn collectively confirm it as sruti, is where

controversy will inevitably enter. obviously this would

be mainly because of differences in temperament and

understanding..

 

sruti is metaphysical postulates *within vyavaharika*.

it is not--nor can it ever *be*--the "Truth" Itself,

since Such cannot be verbalized. even the mahavakyas

fall yet within vyavaharika. the attributeless nirguna

state of the paramartha cannot be verbalized. we must

always bear this in mind. therefore, to be clear about

it, sruti represents *pointers*, as strategic insights

geared to the practical path [sadhana] leading to moksha.

 

therefore each individual must evaluate such insights

[that resonate with them] psychologically (viz. engaging

manana *as if* it were in fact based on sruti), and wait

for the accompanying "light to shine in the Heart" before

acknowledging such as being indeed sruti, at least for

them; for where they are on the path.

 

for example, the concept whether, upon Self-realization,

one thereafter becomes permanently disembodied (being the

most popular idea in almost all the metaphysical schools

[except, for example, vaishnava sects within the hindu

dvaita doctrine, certain tibetan buddhist sects, american

shaman sects, etc]) falls yet squarely within vyavahara!

as such, i've come to believe the possibility that: both,

neither, plus both and neither, *all at the same time*

(i.e. co-existing in the eternal Now) represents the true

existential circumstance! a real mind-blower, to be sure!

and yet, any [what winds up being a] linear-specific/rigid,

sterile conclusion otherwise--when duly philosophically

invesigated--becomes even *more* of a mind-blower(!)...

however here in a negative because *limited* sense! to put

it briefly, it's unphilosophical to conclude a given behavior

attributable to brahman's leela. simply because leela is

*as* ineffable and inscrutable as brahman Itself! how else

can it be? we're confident we can't say anything about

nirguna brahman, yet what gives us the confidence to think

we can really say anything final or definitive about Its

[saguna] leela?!

 

OM ramanarpanamasthu!

OM shaanthi shaanthi shaanthiH

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