Guest guest Posted August 13, 2001 Report Share Posted August 13, 2001 It was interesting, refreshing and enlightening to read the postings on this thread and its predecessor thread: Madhura. Immediately the following observation came to my mind. Scripture is to be relied on, but not solely, because otherwise it tends to become dogma. Reasoning is to be relied on, but not solely, because otherwise one tends to rationalize one's wishes. Experience is to be relied on, but not solely, because otherwise, one tends to project one's own ideas. That is why the vedic scripture, while getting into philosophical speculations, reasons and catalogues experiences and analyses them. It does not make superstition the base. It asks you to experiment with Truth. praNAms to all advaitins profvk You may access three on-line books of mine at the following site: http://www.geocities.com/profvk The books are: Science and Spirituality - A Vedanta Perception Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought, Vision & Practice Overview of Hindu worship with spl. refce. to South India _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2001 Report Share Posted August 13, 2001 > > That is why the vedic scripture, while getting > into philosophical > speculations, reasons and catalogues experiences > and analyses them. It > does not make superstition the base. It asks you > to experiment with > Truth. I have a memory what I think is a quote from Shankara...someone may be able to confirm the reference for us: 'Sruti authorised by experience.' The order is important. > praNAms to all advaitins ken knight Send instant messages & get email alerts with Messenger. http://im./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2001 Report Share Posted August 13, 2001 Namaste Ken, I believe you are referring to Sruti, yukti and anubhava. Regards. > > ken knight [sMTP:hilken_98] > Monday, August 13, 2001 5:23 PM > advaitin > Re: Re: Reason Subservient to Self-Realization > > > > > > That is why the vedic scripture, while getting > > into philosophical > > speculations, reasons and catalogues experiences > > and analyses them. It > > does not make superstition the base. It asks you > > to experiment with > > Truth. > > I have a memory what I think is a quote from > Shankara...someone may be able to confirm the > reference for us: > 'Sruti authorised by experience.' > The order is important. > > praNAms to all advaitins > ken knight > > > > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Messenger. > http://im./ > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2001 Report Share Posted August 13, 2001 --- K Kathirasan NCS <kkathir wrote: > > I believe you are referring to Sruti, yukti and > anubhava. Regards. Many thanks for speedy reply. I have not noted this with yukti before, only anubhava and sruti. Many thanks as this completes the usual triad in these matters, Peace and Happiness ken Knight > > > > > ken knight [sMTP:hilken_98] > > Monday, August 13, 2001 5:23 PM > > advaitin > > Re: Re: Reason Subservient to > Self-Realization > > > > > > > > > > That is why the vedic scripture, while getting > > > into philosophical > > > speculations, reasons and catalogues > experiences > > > and analyses them. It > > > does not make superstition the base. It asks > you > > > to experiment with > > > Truth. > > > > I have a memory what I think is a quote from > > Shankara...someone may be able to confirm the > > reference for us: > > 'Sruti authorised by experience.' > > The order is important. > > > praNAms to all advaitins > > ken knight > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with > Messenger. > > http://im./ > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta > Philosophy of nonseparablity of > > Atman and Brahman. > > Advaitin List Archives available at: > > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > > To Post a message send an email to : > advaitin > > Messages Archived at: > advaitin/messages > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Messenger. http://im./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2001 Report Share Posted August 13, 2001 Namaste, Sankara deals with these topics in his Brahmasutra-bhashya II:i:4, 11, and 18. Regards, s. advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote: > > --- K Kathirasan NCS <kkathir@n...> wrote: > > > > > I believe you are referring to Sruti, yukti and > > anubhava. Regards. > Many thanks for speedy reply. I have not noted this > with yukti before, only anubhava and sruti. Many > thanks as this completes the usual triad in these > matters, > Peace and Happiness > ken Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2001 Report Share Posted August 14, 2001 --- sunderh wrote: > Namaste, > > Sankara deals with these topics in his > Brahmasutra-bhashya > II:i:4, 11, and 18. > many thanks. having read these verses and the commentary I wonder if you could say comment further on the place of Yukti with anubhava and sruti. I understand Shankara's discussion..I hope...but need to separate anubhava and yukti. Is the latter the substratum through which and in which the former takes place? Clearly the ultimate substratum is Brahman but if we are accepting the mithya level of reality then it would help to clarify these two terms. Re. the Avadhut question elsewhere on the site. I offer thses words from H.P.Shastri's introduction to Dattatreya's Avadhut Gita. They are useful even to us grihastyas...especially the fourth and fifth lines: 'Heed no more then how the body lives or goes; Its task is done; let karma float it down; Let one put garlands on, another kick This frame; say naught. No praise or blame can be Where praiser praised and blamer blamed are one. Thus be thou calm, Sannyasin bold, and say, Om Tat Sat Om Peace ken Knight Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2001 Report Share Posted August 14, 2001 advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote: > > --- sunderh wrote: > > Namaste, > > > > Sankara deals with these topics in his > > Brahmasutra-bhashya > > II:i:4, 11, and 18. > > > > many thanks. having read these verses and the > commentary I wonder if you could say comment further > on the place of Yukti with anubhava and sruti. I > understand Shankara's discussion..I hope...but need to > separate anubhava and yukti. Is the latter the > substratum through which and in which the former takes > place? Clearly the ultimate substratum is Brahman but > if we are accepting the mithya level of reality then > it would help to clarify these two terms. Namaste Ken, As I do not expect to come upto the level of Sada-ji's explications [soon he will be covering these aphorisms also], I shall explain my simplistic understanding by borrowing a couple of parables from Sri Ramaksrishna. 1. "The almanac gives you all the forecasts about rain, etc. but you can't get a drop of rain by squeezing it - however hard." [anubhava = getting wet in the rain; yukti = squeezing; shaastra = almanac; 'aapta-vaakya' or trustworthy statements]. 2. "Once you know the contents of a shopping list, you need not cling on to it. You go and purchase what is on the list." [shastra = shopping list; yukti = practise what is involved; anubhava = enjoying the items purchased] the word yukti has several meanings, as follows: Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon Entry yukti Meaning f. union , junction , connection , combination ; preparation , going to , making ready for ; application , practice , usage ; trick , contrivance , means , expedient , artifice , cunning device , magic' to find out or employ an expedient; ind. by device or stratagem , artfully , skilfully , underpretext or pretence ; (by means of) ; reasoning , argument , proof , influence , induction , deduction from circumstances by means of an argument) ; reason , ground , motive ; suitableness , adaptedness , fitness , propriety , correctness properly , suitably , fitly , justly , duly); meditation on the supreme being , contemplation , union with the universal spirit ; (in law) enumeration of circumstances , specification of place and time &c. ; (in rhet.) emblematic or mystical expression of purpose W. ; (in dram.) connection of the events in a plot , concatenation of incidents, intelligent weighing of the circumstances ; (in astron.) conjunction Jyot. ; (in gram.) connection of words , a sentence Nir. ; connection of letters; supplying an ellipsis W. ; mixture or alloying of metals; sum , total > > Re. the Avadhut question elsewhere on the site. I > offer thses words from H.P.Shastri's introduction to > Dattatreya's Avadhut Gita. They are useful even to us > grihastyas...especially the fourth and fifth lines: These are lines from a poem by Sw. Vivekananda [song of the Sanyasin; he composed this at the Thousand Islands Park Retreat, in 1895, after he came out of deep meditative state.] Regards, s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2001 Report Share Posted August 14, 2001 Dear S. ( sorry but I do not know your name fully as I only have the sunder bit) ( also at the present time I know of four Indian gentlemen who like to be known as M.) > 1. "The almanac gives you all the forecasts > about rain, etc. but > you can't get a drop of rain by squeezing it - > however hard." > > [anubhava = getting wet in the rain; > yukti = squeezing; > shaastra = almanac; 'aapta-vaakya' or trustworthy > statements]. > > 2. "Once you know the contents of a shopping > list, you need not > cling on to it. You go and purchase what is on the > list." > > [shastra = shopping list; > yukti = practise what is involved; > anubhava = enjoying the items purchased] Can we spot the triguna at work in these or is that too simplistic? If they are then the purusha stands beyond and thoughout each. I had been taking yukti purely in the 'union' definition and it is useful to see it here translated as the active element in the practise. Thanks again for this further help, Peace Ken Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2001 Report Share Posted August 14, 2001 advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote: > Can we spot the triguna at work in these or is that > too simplistic? If they are then the purusha stands > beyond and thoughout each. I had been taking yukti > purely in the 'union' definition and it is useful to > see it here translated as the active element in the > practise. Namaste Ken, One answer to the question you have raised is in Gita, Ch. III:27, 28 - "Actions are wrought in all cases by the energies of Nature. One whose mind is deluded by egoism thinks 'I am the doer'. "But one who knows the truth about the divisions of the energies and their functions, is not attached, thinking that the energies act upon the energies." The purushha remains the immanent and transcendent witness. Regards, sunder hattangadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2001 Report Share Posted August 14, 2001 Dear Ken Here is a post which I sent 2 years ago to the list about this triad: advaitin/message/2335 > > ken knight [sMTP:hilken_98] > Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:11 AM > advaitin > Re: Re: Reason Subservient to Self-Realization > > Dear S. ( sorry but I do not know your name fully as > I only have the sunder bit) ( also at the present time > I know of four Indian gentlemen who like to be known > as M.) > > 1. "The almanac gives you all the forecasts > > about rain, etc. but > > you can't get a drop of rain by squeezing it - > > however hard." > > > > [anubhava = getting wet in the rain; > > yukti = squeezing; > > shaastra = almanac; 'aapta-vaakya' or trustworthy > > statements]. > > > > 2. "Once you know the contents of a shopping > > list, you need not > > cling on to it. You go and purchase what is on the > > list." > > > > [shastra = shopping list; > > yukti = practise what is involved; > > anubhava = enjoying the items purchased] > Can we spot the triguna at work in these or is that > too simplistic? If they are then the purusha stands > beyond and thoughout each. I had been taking yukti > purely in the 'union' definition and it is useful to > see it here translated as the active element in the > practise. Thanks again for this further help, > Peace > Ken > > > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger > http://phonecard./ > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 > Here is a post which I sent 2 years ago to the list > about this triad: > > advaitin/message/2335 Dear Kathi ( and others who have helped on this topic), This has now cleared up my mis-translation of yukti in this context. Om Paramaatmane Nama Ken Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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