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Namaste Shri Ram Chandran-Ji,

 

Thanks foor your inputs. I however feel that what you

call Vyavahara is a subset of what I intended to mean

in my postings. By Vyavahara I mean the whole universe

of name and form. That is anything other than the Pure

state of the Self. Hope this will clear any

mis-understanding.

 

Regards

Shrinivas

 

 

 

 

 

 

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advaitin, Shrinivas Gadkari <sgadkari2001> wrote:

Namaste Sri Shrinivasji:

 

"The Whole Universe of Name and Form" is also a "BELIEF" and I don't

see any inconsistency in what I said. TRUTH is only one and that is

AtmaJnana and everything else is just a belief which include vyvahara

or any hypothesis that any one us proposes!

 

regards,

 

Ram Chandran

> Namaste Shri Ram Chandran-Ji,

>

> Thanks foor your inputs. I however feel that what you

> call Vyavahara is a subset of what I intended to mean

> in my postings. By Vyavahara I mean the whole universe

> of name and form. That is anything other than the Pure

> state of the Self. Hope this will clear any

> mis-understanding.

>

> Regards

> Shrinivas

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I have been reading the posts on this subject with interest.

Since this is a standard subject of debate among students and

experts of advaita I was wondering what Adi Sankara had to

say on this in his expository works for the beginner. In Viveka

chudamani for instance, slokas 415-419 and 453 to 465, this

topic and the related topic of prarabdha-karma vis-a-vis the

jnAni are dwelt.

The 34th occupant of the Sringeri Pitham, Sri Chandrasekhara

Bharati Swamigal has written a sanskrit commentary for

Vivekachudamani. Sri Jnanananda Bharati Swamiji, (1889-

1975), a most worthy disciple of the Sringeri paramparA, has

written a very lucid explanation, in Tamil, of the above

commentary. I pulled out the following ideas from this Tamil

exposition, particularly for the slokas mentioned above.

Though Atma-jnAna is the same, in terms of the phenomenal

world the Atma-jnAnis may be classified into four categories.

To the first category belongs those to whom the universe is just

mithyA. Such a one is a brahma-vit (meaning, one who knows

brahman and therefore has become brahman). Sage Yajna-

valkya of the upanishadic fame belonged to this category. They

are not only brahma-vits but they taught others to rise to the

level of a brahma-vit To that extent they lived in the vyvavahara

world

To the 2nd category belongs those to whom the 'universe-is-

mithyA' experience is stronger and they, even though engulfed

by their samAdhi state, could descend down to the vyavahAra

level and look at the universe as mithyA even though acting in

it. These are the sthita-prajnas of the Gita. They should be

known as brahmavid-varaH (meaning, better than a brahma-vit).

(vk's note: Perhaps our Ramana Maharishi belongs to this).

There is a third category who do not rise from their samAdhi

state except by external sAtvic intervention and even then

looks at the world only as mithyA. These are called brahma-vid-

varIyAn (meaning, best among brahmavits). The author cites

Prahlada who is said to have been woken up only by the sound

of Vishnu's Conch pAnca-janya.

There is a fourth category which is called brahmavid-varishTaH

(meaning the most superlative among brahmvits). For them the

world does not appear at all. Sloka No.417 says there is

nothing except the brahman-experience for this fourth category.

The first three kinds will have the prArabda-karma effect, though

they are not affected by it.

 

There is a lot more in this commentary to which we may come

back if and when the occasion arises.

praNAms to all advaitins.

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Namaste Shrinivas-ji,

 

 

advaitin, Shrinivas Gadkari <sgadkari2001> wrote:

> Well the claim that it is possible for a me to attain

> the Sat-Cit-Ananada state of the Self, that is the

> state of Nirguna Brahma, and never ever fall from this

> state even to the state of Saguna Brahma is an

> hypothesis. I would put my faith in this hypothesis if

> a few Seers that I hold in high regard attest this

> hypothesis as Shruti. At this stage the hypothesis is

> raised to the level of a belief. This belief gets

> converted into knowledge when I myself can attest

> this belief as Shruti. I feel that this particular

> hypothesis cannot be attested as Shruti. To know that

> such a state exists, I will have to reach it. And then

> by the above hypothesis, I cannot return to the

> Vyavaharik level to attest the hypothesis as Shruti.

 

*********If Ramana Maharshi's statements do not convince you, nothing

else will.

 

>

> I think jiiva and purusha are the same entities. I

> re-read 3.42 and (given my extremely limited abilities

> at Sanskrit) it says that "beyond the intellect is

> He". I would take "He" to mean Self especially in the

> light of 3.43. I have not chosen to term the entity :

> "a mind animated by the Self" as a purusha

> arbitrarily. I have contemplated on this issue for a

> long time. purusha always comes in association with

> prakriti.

> Prakriti exists only when a mind exists. I know people

> would jump at me quoting purusha sukta wherein we see

> purusha being talked as "Purusha alone is all this

> ....", it could be referring to the Saguna-Brahma

> state of purusha.

 

**********In the hundreds of references [in the upanishads], to the

word purusha, not one has been equated with jiva. You may be taking

your stand on Sankhya philosophy, and not on Shankara advaita; purusha

[individual souls] and purushottama are like the sparks to the fire,

or reflections of the sun in pots of water, or space in a pot to the

sky, etc.

 

 

Regards,

 

sunder

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