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Does anyone have an opinion about the following?

 

Can everybody, regardless of the PHYSICAL condition of their brain or

nerves, achieve realization in this very life in the way Ramana

Maharshi and other Advaitins advocate? Or are some people blocked by

damage or deficiencies in their nervous system (genetics, present

alcoholism, past alcoholism, disease, bad diet, or whatever)? How

can you be sure? Perhaps masters such as Ramana were born with a

certain special kind of nervous system due to good karma, that many

of us can only hope for in a future life if we strive for

spirituality in this life. (Of course, we need MORE than a good

nervous system, but is the proper nervous system an essential first

step?) Thank you.

--

Benjamin Root

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> of us can only hope for in a future life if we strive for

> spirituality in this life. (Of course, we need MORE than a good

> nervous system, but is the proper nervous system an essential first

> step?) Thank you.

> --

> Benjamin Root

 

Namaste Benjamin-ji,

 

Physical body is but a manifestation of what one is

in the mental plane. Our evolution takes place in the

mental plane and if you make an attempt, you will also

see changes in the physical body. But state of the

physical body is an effect whose cause is in the

mental plane. (This is quite contrary to the idea

that mainstream modern science holds).

 

Any physical condition including disorder of the

nerves/brain is but a reflection of some disorder

in the mental plane, typically in the form of

distorted perceptions. Sprituality aims at establishing

harmony in the mental plane. As one of the side

effects, we tend to develop healthier and disorder

free physical bodies.

 

So to answer your question, limitations of the physical

body cannot stop one from STARTING his/her sadhana

and making progress. It might just be that as one

progresses in sadhana, limitations of physical body

might start reducing or vanish altogether. But again

this is just a side effect.

 

Best regards

Shrinivas

 

p.s. Form a brief look at your homepage I see that you

are interested in physics. I myself was led

to the theory that physical plane is a manifestation

of what is happening at the mental plane due to

quantum physics.

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Namaste,

 

      This is how the scriptures answer the question:

 

The Self cannot be attained by the weak, nor by the careless, nor

 through aimless disciplines. But if one who knows strives by right

 means, his soul enters the abode of God.

 

Atharva Veda, Mundaka Upanishads 3.2.4.The Upanishads,Juan Mascaro,81

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Chapter  6 : Verses 16-20 [with Shankara-

                 Bhashya, tr. Sw.Gambhirananda]

 

                 dhyaana-yogaH. The Yoga of Meditation

 

                 Now are being mentioned the rules about the yogi's

food etc.:

 

                 na aty ashnatas tu yogo .asti na cha-ikaantam

anashnataH .

                 na cha atisvapnashiilasya jaagrato na-iva cha arjuna

... 16..

 

                 16. But, O Arjuna, Yoga is not for one who eats too

much, nor for one 

                 who does not eat at all; neither for one who

habitually sleeps too 

                 long, nor surely for one who keeps awake.

                 tu, but  O Arjuna, yogaH na asti, is not; ati

ashnataH, for one who 

                 eats too much, for one who eats food more than his

capacity; na ca, 

                 nor is,   anashnatah, for one who does not eat;

ekaantam, at all. 

                 This accords with the Vedic text, 'As is well known,

if one eats that 

                 much food which is within one's capacity, then it

sustains him, it 

                 does not hurt him; that which is more, it harms him;

that which is 

                 less, it does not sustain him' (Sa. Br.; Bo. Sm.

2.7.22). Therefore, 

                 a yogi should not eat food more or less than what is

suitable for 

                 him. Or the meaning is that Yoga is not for one who

eats more food 

                 than what is prescribed for a yogi in the scriptures

on Yoga. Indeed, 

                 the quantity has been mentioned in, 'One half of the

stomach is to be 

                 filled with food including curries; the third quarter

is to be filled 

                 with water; but the fourth quarter is to be left for

the movement of 

                 air,' etc.

                 Similarly, Yoga is not for ati svapna-shiilasya, one

who habitually 

                 sleeps too long; and Yoga is na eva, surely not;

jaagrataH, for one 

                 who keeps awake too long.

                 How, again, does Yoga become possibel? This is being

stated:

 

                 Yukta-ahaara-vihaarasya  yukta-cheshhTasya karmasu .

                 Yukta-svapna-avabodhasya yogo bhavati duHkhahaa ..

17..

 

                 17. Yoga becomes a destroyer of sorrow of one whose

eating and 

                 movements are regulated, whose effort in works is

moderate, and whose 

                 sleep and wakefulness are temperate.

                 yogaH bhavati, Yoga becomes; duHkha-haa, a destroyer

of sorrow-that 

                 which destroys (hanti) all sorrows (duHkhaani)-,

i.e., Yoga destroys 

                 all worldly sorrows; yukta-aahaara-vihaarasya, of one

whose eating 

                 and movements are regulated- aahaara (lit. food)

means all that is 

                 gathered in, [According to the Commentator, aahaara,

which also means 

                 food, includes mental 'food as well. See Ch.

7.26.2.-Tr.] and vihaara 

                 means moving about, walking; one for whom these two

are regulated 

                 (yukta) is yukta-aahaara-vihaara-; and also

yukta-cheshhTasya, of one 

                 whose effort (cheshhTaa) is moderate (yukta);

karmasu, in works; 

                 similarly, yukta-svapna-avabodhasya, of one whose

sleep (svapna) and 

                 wakefulness (avabodha) are temperate (yukta), have

regulated periods. 

                 To him whose eating and movements are regulated,

whose effort in work 

                 is moderate, whose sleep and wakefulness are

temperate, Yoga becomes 

                 a destroyer of sorrows.

 

Gita Chapter 16:verses 1-4, list the mental qulities that need to be

cultivated or abjured.

 

Ramana Maharshi himself was once asked about the visible trembling of

his body, and his use of a staff

for support when walking. His response was: "When you tie an elephant

in a hut, the hut will shake!!"

 

In Sri Ramakrishna's words, 'Great souls are like ocean-liners, they

can carry a large number of passengers!'

 

 

 

Regards,

 

sunder

 

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin, Benjamin Root <benroot@r...> wrote:

>

> Does anyone have an opinion about the following?

>

> Can everybody, regardless of the PHYSICAL condition of their brain

or

> nerves, achieve realization in this very life in the way Ramana

> Maharshi and other Advaitins advocate? Or are some people blocked

by

> damage or deficiencies in their nervous system (genetics, present

> alcoholism, past alcoholism, disease, bad diet, or whatever)? How

> can you be sure? Perhaps masters such as Ramana were born with a

> certain special kind of nervous system due to good karma, that many

> of us can only hope for in a future life if we strive for

> spirituality in this life. (Of course, we need MORE than a good

> nervous system, but is the proper nervous system an essential first

> step?) Thank you.

> --

> Benjamin Root

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