Guest guest Posted November 1, 2001 Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 <advaitin> Thursday, November 01, 2001 4:15 PM There is a shloka in the Gita viz Tasmaachchaastram pramaanam te kaaryaakaaryavyavasthitau, gyaatvaa shaastravidhanoktam karma kartumihaarhasi (16/ Daivasursampadvibhag 24) Meaning that Shaastra is the authority on what is to be done and what is not. Now, given the bewildering array of religious texts, even for the Gyan khand, one wonders which shaastra is meant by the lord I will b grateful if somebody can throw some light on this Best regards Anurag Lohia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 advaitin, "A Kumar" <ites30@h...> wrote: > There is a shloka in the Gita viz > > Tasmaachchaastram pramaanam te kaaryaakaaryavyavasthitau, gyaatvaa > shaastravidhanoktam karma kartumihaarhasi (16/ Daivasursampadvibhag 24) > > Meaning that Shaastra is the authority on what is to be done and what is > not. Now, given the bewildering array of religious texts, even for the Gyan > khand, one wonders which shaastra is meant by the lord > Namaste, I would like to add to Anurag's question: These are a series of questions that arise on studying Chapter 16 Gita. Any insights on this matter will be helpful. Chapter 13, 14 and 15 are addressed to a seeker who seems really advanced student of Yoga and Vedanta. Chapter 16 (and to some extent 17) seem to address a student who is quite a novice compared to the student of Chap 13-15. Why this sudden change in the level of instruction. Infact, in the version of Gita I read, last verse of Ch 15 is from Shri Krishna and first Verse of Ch 16 is also from Krishna. How do the Ch 15 verses directly lead to Chap 16 verses ? If Shri Krishna was questioned by Arjuna for some clarifications it would have been different. Thanks. Best regards Shrinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 This is in the reply to what was referred as Shastras. The Shastras are nothing but the vedas themselves. The Vedas prescribe ceratin rules and regulations as how persons should live and conduct on this earth and many other things They can be said as set of rules for living. Any rule which is being disobeyed will have its own effects. For example: It is said that the Brahmana should study vedas and the propogation of vedas is his supreme duty etc are laid down by vedas Here Shastras mean the vedas... if shastras say something is wrong we will have to restrain from doing that job. Regards Kamesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Namaste, Sri Krishna has answered this question unequivocally in 15:20 iti guhyatamaM shaastramidamuktaM mayaa.anagha . etatbuddhvaa buddhimaansyaatkR^itakR^ityashcha bhaarata .. 15\.20.. "Thus this most secret doctrine has been taught by me, O Sinless One! Having awakened to this, one becomes wise and fulfills all one's duties,O Bharata!" Jnaneshvari explains the connecting link between Chs. 15 & 16. The topic of the prerequisites for the acquisition of wisdom [discussed in Ch 13-15] was started in Ch. 9; and is taken up again in Ch. 16, in more detail [26 virtues]. In 16:5, the Lord also re-assures the 'seeker', that one endowed with these virtues is destined for the true liberation. Regards, Sunder advaitin, sgadkari2001 wrote: > advaitin, "A Kumar" <ites30@h...> wrote: > > There is a shloka in the Gita viz > > > > Tasmaachchaastram pramaanam te kaaryaakaaryavyavasthitau, gyaatvaa > > shaastravidhanoktam karma kartumihaarhasi (16/ Daivasursampadvibhag > 24) > > > > Meaning that Shaastra is the authority on what is to be done and > what is > > not. Now, given the bewildering array of religious texts, even for > the Gyan > > khand, one wonders which shaastra is meant by the lord > > > > Namaste, > > I would like to add to Anurag's question: > > These are a series of questions that arise on studying > Chapter 16 Gita. Any insights on this matter will be > helpful. > > Chapter 13, 14 and 15 are addressed to a seeker who seems > really advanced student of Yoga and Vedanta. Chapter 16 > (and to some extent 17) seem to address a student who is > quite a novice compared to the student of Chap 13-15. > Why this sudden change in the level of instruction. > Infact, in the version of Gita I read, last verse of > Ch 15 is from Shri Krishna and first Verse of Ch 16 is also > from Krishna. How do the Ch 15 verses directly lead to > Chap 16 verses ? If Shri Krishna was questioned by Arjuna > for some clarifications it would have been different. > > Thanks. > > Best regards > Shrinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Namaskaaram Anurag Look at http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part20/chap3.htm and at http://www.kamakoti.org/souv/1-1.html Both deal with this. I hope these resources are of use. ------------------- > <advaitin> > Thursday, November 01, 2001 4:15 PM > > > > There is a shloka in the Gita viz > > Tasmaachchaastram pramaanam te kaaryaakaaryavyavasthitau, gyaatvaa > shaastravidhanoktam karma kartumihaarhasi (16/ Daivasursampadvibhag 24) > > Meaning that Shaastra is the authority on what is to be done and what is > not. Now, given the bewildering array of religious texts, even for the Gyan > khand, one wonders which shaastra is meant by the lord > > I will b grateful if somebody can throw some light on this > > > Best regards > > > Anurag Lohia > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > -------------------------- | http://www.kamakoti.org/ | | A website on Hinduism, | | with a difference ... | ------------------------- --- OREKA ! L'ACCES A INTERNET MOINS CHER ! Connaissez vous nos nouveaux forfaits ? 10H pour moins de 40F, ou 25H pour moins de 80F (Internet + télécoms) ! Découvrez les vite ! Cliquez ici : http://www.oreka.com/start.php3?id=op3b600eafd954b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 advaitin, sunderh wrote: > Namaste, > > Sri Krishna has answered this question unequivocally in 15:20 > > iti guhyatamaM shaastramidamuktaM mayaa.anagha . > etatbuddhvaa buddhimaansyaatkR^itakR^ityashcha bhaarata .. 15 \.20.. > > "Thus this most secret doctrine has been taught by me, O Sinless One! > Having awakened to this, one becomes wise and fulfills all one's > duties,O Bharata!" > Namsate Shri Sunder-Ji, If you don't mind, could you please elaborate on this point in more deatil ? > Jnaneshvari explains the connecting link between Chs. 15 & 16. The > topic of the prerequisites for the acquisition of wisdom [discussed > in Ch 13-15] was started in Ch. 9; and is taken up again in Ch. 16, in > more detail [26 virtues]. In 16:5, the Lord also re-assures the > 'seeker', that one endowed with these virtues is destined for the true > liberation. > I persoanlly owe a lot of my understanding of Vedanta and Yoga to Shri Janneshwar's commentary on Gita. He is well versed with a variety of subjects and takes great effort to explain connections between different points of views. Before reading Jnaeshwari I was quite confused about interrelation between different Chapters of Gita. I have a few more questions regarding Jnaneshwari, would you like me to post them to this forum ? Thanks Best regards Shrinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 advaitin, "A Kumar" <ites30@h...> wrote: > <advaitin> > Thursday, November 01, 2001 4:15 PM > > > > There is a shloka in the Gita viz > > Tasmaachchaastram pramaanam te kaaryaakaaryavyavasthitau, gyaatvaa > shaastravidhanoktam karma kartumihaarhasi (16/ Daivasursampadvibhag 24) > > Meaning that Shaastra is the authority on what is to be done and what is > not. Now, given the bewildering array of religious texts, even for the Gyan > khand, one wonders which shaastra is meant by the lord > > I will b grateful if somebody can throw some light on this > > > Best regards > > > Anurag Lohia Which Shaastra is meant by the Lord? This is a great question and a very nice response can be got from a hour long talk titled 'Sastram' by Swamiji Sri Paramarthananda in the web site : http://www.yogamalika.org/home.html. You can click on the audio links Part 1 (http://www.yogamalika.org/newaudio/INTV_02a.ram) and Part 2 (http://www.yogamalika.org/newaudio/INTV_02b.ram). This talk is #2 in a 16 part series of audio talks on "Introduction to Vedanta". I would strongly recommend group members or any student of Vedanta to check these out. Anyway here is a short summary : Sastram: Our entire scriptural literature is generally called sastram. Sastram means scriptures or scriptural literature. The word Sastram derived from the root sast. Sast has two meanings - (1) to command and (2) to teach So, Sastram means a literature which commands the human being in initial stages and teaches the human beings in later stages By way of commanding and teaching , these scriptures rescues human being from all problems.sast means teach and tra means save. That which saves the humanity from problems by commandment in the initial stages and enlightenment in the later stages is called Sastra. Our Vast scriptural literature or Sastras can be classified into 6 layers or 6 groups 1. Vedic literature or Vedas Vedas comprise of 20000 or so mantras and are 4 in number. Rig, Yajur ,Sama and Atharvana Vedas are called apoureshya (not born out of indian intellect) pramana (source of knowledge) Vedas are the first, foremost and primary scriptural literature and were received by the Rishis directly from the Lord. Vedas are authored by Lord All other scriptural literature is based on the Vedas Hindus is a new term but the original term for us was Vaidikas (people who believe in vedas) An excellent article on the true import of the vedas can be found in this link: http://www.jagadgurus.org/home.asp?acharyalcode=BT 2. Sutra literature sutra (aphorism - means a cryptic statement contains lot of ideas in capsule form) Sutras contain nutshell or capsule statements Sutras authored by human beings so they are poureshya words belong to authors but content belongs to vedas only example: Dharma Sutras or Yoga Sutras 3. Smriti literature Smiritis are generally in the form of poems Rishis studied the vedas and sutras and gathered all the teachings and presented the info in a very elaborate form composition of Smritis is human and content is from vedas Example: Manu Smriti 4. Purana literature A literature that is in further expanded form important point : the abstract ideas in previous literature are all concretely presented in the form of stories. stories painted in a very vast canvas is the uniqueness of puranas eg. Harischandra Purana is the story of Harischandra presented very very elaborately. But all of it can be condensed into two words from the Vedas - Sathyam Vada (Speak the Truth) 5.Ithihasas History based literature. Contents of Ithihasas are supposed to be based on historical events. 6. Bhasyam Literature Bhasyams are commentaries written in Sanskrit on all the above forms of literature regards Sundar Rajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 Namaste Shrinivas-ji, The Gita has the distilled wisdom of every Hindu scripture, and it is also known as 'brahmavidyaa.n yogashastre' : the teaching of yoga in the knowledge of the Ultimate Reality. In my humble view, no other scripture need be consulted to conduct one's life, other than for elaboration. The testimony of the Gita Mahatmya satisfies me, and for every doubt I ever had, there was an answer for me in the Gita. I regret that words fail me to go beyond what is in the Mahatmya! Your dicussion of Jnaneshvari would certainly enhance the Gita Satsang. Regards, Sunder advaitin, sgadkari2001 wrote: > > iti guhyatamaM shaastramidamuktaM mayaa.anagha . > > etatbuddhvaa buddhimaansyaatkR^itakR^ityashcha bhaarata .. 15 > \.20.. > > > > "Thus this most secret doctrine has been taught by me, O Sinless > One! > > Having awakened to this, one becomes wise and fulfills all one's > > duties,O Bharata!" > > > > Namsate Shri Sunder-Ji, > > If you don't mind, could you please elaborate on this point in > more deatil ? > > > Jnaneshvari explains the connecting link between Chs. 15 & 16. > > I persoanlly owe a lot of my understanding of Vedanta and Yoga > to Shri Janneshwar's commentary on Gita. He is well versed with a > variety of subjects and takes great effort to explain connections > between different points of views. Before reading Jnaeshwari I > was quite confused about interrelation between different Chapters of > Gita. > > I have a few more questions regarding Jnaneshwari, would you > like me to post them to this forum ? > > Thanks > > Best regards > Shrinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 Dear Sirs, There was a time when no shastra was available in written form. Then there was a need to a group of specialised people (say Brahmans) to take the torch ahead so that this great thought process is not lost. Does it hold good now? Do we need to enjoin them to study Vedas? Take into consideration the fact that most of them do it without knowing the meaning of the Scripture they recite! Ramachander Please visit http://English_stotras.tripod.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 Namaste, For an illuminating discussion on Dharmashastras: http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part15/chap1.htm [Chap.1 to 8]. Regards, Sunder advaitin, "P.R.Ramachander" <prr@b...> wrote: > Dear Sirs, > There was a time when no shastra was available in written form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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