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Dear Sir,

I believe in this forum we should not discuss about any communities. THat

goes counter to the spirit of discussion going on.Ramachander

Please visit http://English_stotras.tripod.com

 

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<madhava

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Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:43 PM

Re: the disease and the symptom

 

> advaitin, "P.R.Ramachander" <prr@b...> wrote:

> Thinking of it...Well, you are correct with regards to Islam as a

> religion. It is bound in a tight fixed frame. There is no such

> flexibility allowed in it. Nobody should change it, or think beyond

> those lines. I think many intellectuals tried to change the way it

> looked, but historically it brought major splits in Islam. So that

> the new religion (thinking) has nothing to do with Islam. For

> example www.bahai.org is a religion which is split from Islam. And

> ahmadiyas (another split in islam) are considered as Kafirs, I am

> told while living in Saudi Arabia.

>

> Major misunderstanding about Muslims come in to picture because we

> think all are bound by the book. But they are not! I came across

> such a nice people with such kindheartedness among Muslims. I

> believe it is more to do with their human element of kindness,

> compassion and love than to their religion. So I believe one should

> not hate or look down Muslims just because they belong to that

> religion. Taslmia Nasreen (author of the book Lajja) is a Muslim,

> Salman Rashdie is a Muslim. Recently I read an article written by

> Salman Rashdie on Militancy in Islam. He pleads that that aspect of

> Islam should change. But who will change? when such thing is

> warrented, the intellectuals are killed by the Fatwahs.

>

> All religions should bring peace to the world. That is what we

> require. We should not, in the name of religion, kill each other. We

> should not, in the name of religion instigate hatred... Well, but

> who will teach this point to the very same people who are looked upon

> as religious authorities? It is about the Mullahs whom all these

> faithful followers listen to... If at all any change can take place

> with in Islam, then it is those Mullahs who should make it happen.

> Actually, now United Nations is thinking serioulsly about this.

>

> That reminds me the recent speech of Pakistan Chief General

> Musharraf, while equating killings in Palastine with killings in

> Kashmir and Kosovo, all nooks and corners of the world, explaining to

> the world that those acts by the so-called Muslims are motivated not

> by Islam as a religion but apolitical.....He openely proclaimed Islam

> means peace, and Muslims say "Salam aa lEkuM" which means "Peace be

> with you". I truely believe that Muslims are very nice humans, no

> doubt about it. But then where is the militancy coming in to picture

> in that religion?

>

> Well! I think General Musharraf needs to speak to the Mullahs who

> are living in Saudi Arabia or Afganistan or anywhere else! Let me

> share with you my own experience with the word "salam aalEkum"

>

> When I was living in Saudi Arabia, I used to greet my friends,

> colleagues with the words "salam aa lEkum". Never I faced any

> problem, they used to greet me back. But then I got a shocking

> revelation under extreme circumstances. I went to a Hotel to drink a

> cup of coffee. By the way, in Islam you are forbidden to use your

> lefthand to drink or to eat anything. It is because I am not a

> Muslim I am not bound by that rule. Then a Long bearded man

> approached me (they are called as Muttavahs.. or religious police)

> and told me that I am not supposed to drink with my lefthand. I told

> him I am not a Muslim, usually my other encounters revealed me that

> when I proclaim that I am not a Muslim they don't bother, they treat

> me nicely and go away (which reveals that they are nice humans). But

> this time it was a different story, this person who advised me got

> infuriated! He demanded that I follow him, he took me to their

> policing van in which I believe some higher authority "Mullah" was

> sitting. The moment I saw him I have greeted him saying "salam A

> lEkum". This Mullah did not greet me back but the other person who

> was sitting next to him greeted me saying "aalEkum assalAM". But

> then this Mullah looked at him very angrily and asked him to stop

> saying that reply.

>

> In Arabic this fellow who took me there explained about me to the

> Mullah saying that I am an Indian kafir :-) To my surprise that

> Mullah spoke to me in a very nice (heavily british accent) English.

> They wanted to see my iquama. Again let me tell you that NonMuslims

> have a Brown color passbook and Muslims will have a green color

> passbook. Well, poor Taliban wanted to follow the same system of

> identifying non-muslims but rocked by the world, but in Saudi Arabia

> it has been a rule by the government that Nonmuslims should have a

> different color passbook. They are supposed to give a lecture I

> think so he gave me a lecture.

>

> In a very nice English, he explained to me that Islam means

> sumbission. Those who accept "No GOD is GOD but Allah, and Prophet

> Muhammed is his true messenger". Those who accept this statement and

> follow the Prophet faithfully are Muslims. Since Allah is the only

> GOD who can offer peace to his believers, only Muslims among

> themselves should say "Salam aa lEkum". But Muslims should not

> say "Salam aa lEkum" to Non-Muslims. Which means theoritically that

> Mullahs colleague is at wrong in saying that I can have peace! If at

> all Kafirs (non-muslims) do not have peace, well it is their mistake,

> they are not muslims (not submitted to the one god and one messenger

> principle) so naturally they will not have peace. It is GOD who is

> punishing them.... (and he refered a quronic statement... I dont want

> to quote it but it is true)

>

> While listening to Musharraf's interpretation of Salam Aa lEkum, I

> thought of that British accented Mullah who was giving entirely a

> different meaning (is that real meaning!) to that word. And I am

> also not surprised that a Mullah living in UK has issued a Fathwah on

> Musharraf for becoming a Non-Muslim.

>

> > Von: P.R.Ramachander [prr]

> > There were great thinkers in both Christian and Islamic

> > relegions. But

> > this thought process was , as I understand, bound by the

> > relegion itself.

> > The enquiry is not for the ultimate truth but to the meaning

> > of what has

> > been revealed by the prophets. Any body thinking beyond this

> > dotted line

> > were classified as phiosophers and their discussion kept out

> > of bounds from

> > the relegion. These esoteric lot again chose to think about

> > material truths

> > and not spiritual ones like the oriental philosophers.

>

>

>

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Respected Sir,

I never meant to hurt you. I apologise for that.With best

wishes.Ramachander

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Madhava K. Turumella <madhava

<advaitin>

Thursday, November 22, 2001 5:57 PM

AW: Re: the disease and the symptom

 

> Yes I agree, and apologize for that. After typing that message I was just

> thinking whether to send it or not. I think it does not fit in the forum.

I

> should have just said as a reply "yes you are right they won't go beyond

> their gospels, because they are not allowed to..." But the rest of the

> explanation went beyond the charter. I apologize once again for that.

>

>

>

>

> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> > Von: P.R.Ramachander [prr]

> > Gesendet: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:26 AM

> > An: advaitin

> > Betreff: Re: Re: the disease and the symptom

> >

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > I believe in this forum we should not discuss about any

> > communities. THat

> > goes counter to the spirit of discussion going on.Ramachander

> > Please visit http://English_stotras.tripod.com

> >

> > -

> > <madhava

> > <advaitin>

> > Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:43 PM

> > Re: the disease and the symptom

> >

> >

>

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> Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of

Atman and Brahman.

> Advaitin List Archives available at:

http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/

> To Post a message send an email to : advaitin

> Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages

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