Guest guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 Dear Sir, I believe in this forum we should not discuss about any communities. THat goes counter to the spirit of discussion going on.Ramachander Please visit http://English_stotras.tripod.com - <madhava <advaitin> Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:43 PM Re: the disease and the symptom > advaitin, "P.R.Ramachander" <prr@b...> wrote: > Thinking of it...Well, you are correct with regards to Islam as a > religion. It is bound in a tight fixed frame. There is no such > flexibility allowed in it. Nobody should change it, or think beyond > those lines. I think many intellectuals tried to change the way it > looked, but historically it brought major splits in Islam. So that > the new religion (thinking) has nothing to do with Islam. For > example www.bahai.org is a religion which is split from Islam. And > ahmadiyas (another split in islam) are considered as Kafirs, I am > told while living in Saudi Arabia. > > Major misunderstanding about Muslims come in to picture because we > think all are bound by the book. But they are not! I came across > such a nice people with such kindheartedness among Muslims. I > believe it is more to do with their human element of kindness, > compassion and love than to their religion. So I believe one should > not hate or look down Muslims just because they belong to that > religion. Taslmia Nasreen (author of the book Lajja) is a Muslim, > Salman Rashdie is a Muslim. Recently I read an article written by > Salman Rashdie on Militancy in Islam. He pleads that that aspect of > Islam should change. But who will change? when such thing is > warrented, the intellectuals are killed by the Fatwahs. > > All religions should bring peace to the world. That is what we > require. We should not, in the name of religion, kill each other. We > should not, in the name of religion instigate hatred... Well, but > who will teach this point to the very same people who are looked upon > as religious authorities? It is about the Mullahs whom all these > faithful followers listen to... If at all any change can take place > with in Islam, then it is those Mullahs who should make it happen. > Actually, now United Nations is thinking serioulsly about this. > > That reminds me the recent speech of Pakistan Chief General > Musharraf, while equating killings in Palastine with killings in > Kashmir and Kosovo, all nooks and corners of the world, explaining to > the world that those acts by the so-called Muslims are motivated not > by Islam as a religion but apolitical.....He openely proclaimed Islam > means peace, and Muslims say "Salam aa lEkuM" which means "Peace be > with you". I truely believe that Muslims are very nice humans, no > doubt about it. But then where is the militancy coming in to picture > in that religion? > > Well! I think General Musharraf needs to speak to the Mullahs who > are living in Saudi Arabia or Afganistan or anywhere else! Let me > share with you my own experience with the word "salam aalEkum" > > When I was living in Saudi Arabia, I used to greet my friends, > colleagues with the words "salam aa lEkum". Never I faced any > problem, they used to greet me back. But then I got a shocking > revelation under extreme circumstances. I went to a Hotel to drink a > cup of coffee. By the way, in Islam you are forbidden to use your > lefthand to drink or to eat anything. It is because I am not a > Muslim I am not bound by that rule. Then a Long bearded man > approached me (they are called as Muttavahs.. or religious police) > and told me that I am not supposed to drink with my lefthand. I told > him I am not a Muslim, usually my other encounters revealed me that > when I proclaim that I am not a Muslim they don't bother, they treat > me nicely and go away (which reveals that they are nice humans). But > this time it was a different story, this person who advised me got > infuriated! He demanded that I follow him, he took me to their > policing van in which I believe some higher authority "Mullah" was > sitting. The moment I saw him I have greeted him saying "salam A > lEkum". This Mullah did not greet me back but the other person who > was sitting next to him greeted me saying "aalEkum assalAM". But > then this Mullah looked at him very angrily and asked him to stop > saying that reply. > > In Arabic this fellow who took me there explained about me to the > Mullah saying that I am an Indian kafir :-) To my surprise that > Mullah spoke to me in a very nice (heavily british accent) English. > They wanted to see my iquama. Again let me tell you that NonMuslims > have a Brown color passbook and Muslims will have a green color > passbook. Well, poor Taliban wanted to follow the same system of > identifying non-muslims but rocked by the world, but in Saudi Arabia > it has been a rule by the government that Nonmuslims should have a > different color passbook. They are supposed to give a lecture I > think so he gave me a lecture. > > In a very nice English, he explained to me that Islam means > sumbission. Those who accept "No GOD is GOD but Allah, and Prophet > Muhammed is his true messenger". Those who accept this statement and > follow the Prophet faithfully are Muslims. Since Allah is the only > GOD who can offer peace to his believers, only Muslims among > themselves should say "Salam aa lEkum". But Muslims should not > say "Salam aa lEkum" to Non-Muslims. Which means theoritically that > Mullahs colleague is at wrong in saying that I can have peace! If at > all Kafirs (non-muslims) do not have peace, well it is their mistake, > they are not muslims (not submitted to the one god and one messenger > principle) so naturally they will not have peace. It is GOD who is > punishing them.... (and he refered a quronic statement... I dont want > to quote it but it is true) > > While listening to Musharraf's interpretation of Salam Aa lEkum, I > thought of that British accented Mullah who was giving entirely a > different meaning (is that real meaning!) to that word. And I am > also not surprised that a Mullah living in UK has issued a Fathwah on > Musharraf for becoming a Non-Muslim. > > > Von: P.R.Ramachander [prr] > > There were great thinkers in both Christian and Islamic > > relegions. But > > this thought process was , as I understand, bound by the > > relegion itself. > > The enquiry is not for the ultimate truth but to the meaning > > of what has > > been revealed by the prophets. Any body thinking beyond this > > dotted line > > were classified as phiosophers and their discussion kept out > > of bounds from > > the relegion. These esoteric lot again chose to think about > > material truths > > and not spiritual ones like the oriental philosophers. > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 Respected Sir, I never meant to hurt you. I apologise for that.With best wishes.Ramachander Please visit http://English_stotras.tripod.com - Madhava K. Turumella <madhava <advaitin> Thursday, November 22, 2001 5:57 PM AW: Re: the disease and the symptom > Yes I agree, and apologize for that. After typing that message I was just > thinking whether to send it or not. I think it does not fit in the forum. I > should have just said as a reply "yes you are right they won't go beyond > their gospels, because they are not allowed to..." But the rest of the > explanation went beyond the charter. I apologize once again for that. > > > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: P.R.Ramachander [prr] > > Gesendet: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:26 AM > > An: advaitin > > Betreff: Re: Re: the disease and the symptom > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > I believe in this forum we should not discuss about any > > communities. THat > > goes counter to the spirit of discussion going on.Ramachander > > Please visit http://English_stotras.tripod.com > > > > - > > <madhava > > <advaitin> > > Wednesday, November 21, 2001 4:43 PM > > Re: the disease and the symptom > > > > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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