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Hari OM!

 

Blessed Self,

 

Whenever the otherness comes, there is problem.

 

Ramachandran Wrote:-

-

I hope most of you will agree with me that the individuals who

> have really realised the ulimate truth in this present day world

> are a hopeless minority and need to be searched by the most

> powerful electron microscope. Most of us think that we have

> understood but in reality possibly none.

----

A realized soul only can understand another realized soul, How can an

ordinary seeker like us judge the realisation.

 

Those who think "I know it" does not know, Those Who knows does not

think "I know it". Because after knowing it, nothing to be known

there after.

"TAT TWAM ASI"

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

 

 

 

--- "P.R.Ramachander" <prr wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> I have been a silent asdmirer of the discussion that is going

> on in this group.I am ofcourse little disillusioned because of my

> ignorance.

> I always felt that Hindu Philosophy enshrined in the

> Vedanta(end of Vedas) portion as well as Bhagavat Gita was

> exhorting all of us to search for the ultimate and only truth in

> this world. As I understood four different major paths were defined

> viz. Karma, Bhakthi, Gnana and Yoga.

> The Karma Marga as exhorted by the Lord in Bhagavat Gita got

> corrupted by the Karma Kandin orthodox group of the relegion, who

> wanted all of us to follow the rituasls and customs defined in the

> Smrithis and Sutras of some Acharyas , who were essentially not

> philosophers but Karma Kandins.

> The Bhakthi , which preached for ecstacic belief in any God head

> you believed and realising that you are one with what you believe

> also got corrupted due to the rivalry of Sadhkas who told others

> that , the only method is to believe in what they point out.

> The Gnana Marga, which was possibly an exclusive domain and

> method for intellectuals who are capable of searching for the

> ultimate truth and realising that all of us are a part of this

> ultimate truth became very popular. But , majority of the so

> called followers of this path, felt that what they should do is to

> hear and follow someone whom they think is the Gnani. But their

> teaching was very difficult to follow and never enlightened one ,

> because the path of elimination or recognition was not followed by

> them.

> The Raja Yoga required a teacher because it consisted of bodily

> excercises and meditations to still the wandering mind and tie it

> to a firm peg. In the modern times possibly more number of people

> are able to realise the oneness using this method which hinges on

> the ultimate discipline.

> I hope most of you will agree with me that the individuals who

> have really realised the ulimate truth in this present day world

> are a hopeless minority and need to be searched by the most

> powerful electron microscope. Most of us think that we have

> understood but in reality possibly none.

> With Pranams to

> all you,Ramachander

> Please visit http://English_stotras.tripod.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Pranams Ramachandergaru,

 

Your comments reflect/echo what Sri Krishna said 5

millenia back, in the Gita 7:3:

 

manushhyaaNaa.n sahasreshhu kashchidyatati siddhaye .

yatataamapi siddhaanaa.n kashchinmaa.n vetti tattvataH ..

 

[Among thousands, one perchance strives for perfection; even among

those who striveand are perfect, only one perchance knows me in

truth.]

 

Our discussions are bound to be of the nature that Bhagavan

characterised Arjuna's, namely 'praj~naavaadaan', [like the learned

debaters], and would obviously smile [prahasan iva], though you

describe disillusionment in yourself.

 

As Sri Ramakrishna described, the world is like a mixture of sand and

sugar; one has to learn to sift and taste the sugar only.

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

advaitin, "P.R.Ramachander" <prr@b...> wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> I have been a silent asdmirer of the discussion that is going on

in this group.I am ofcourse little disillusioned because of my

ignorance.

>

> I hope most of you will agree with me that the individuals who

have really realised the ulimate truth in this present day world are a

hopeless minority and need to be searched by the most powerful

electron microscope. Most of us think that we have understood but in

reality possibly none.

> With Pranams to all you,

 

Ramachander

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Namaste Sri Ramachanderji:

 

To a larger extent, the silent observers of the list are potentially

more knowledgeable than those like me who take every opportunity to

jump into discussions. Though we try hard to be silent, the impulse

to react breaks the silence. This post is no exception to this

fundamental human weakness. First, let me congratulate you for your

thoughtful insights on the message of Gita.

 

After contemplating on the message of Bhagawan Krishna, it is possible

for us to recognize that the message of Gita is guaranteed to be from

all attempted external corruptions. In fact Gita has the life-time

warranty to be trouble free from corruptions. We know that Wisdom is

the ultimate Truth and ignorance is only temporary! Those who

attempted to corrupt the message of Gita have failed miserably and

became corrupt!

 

Fundamentally, Gita is Dharma Sastra and all messages within Gita

should be understood (studied and practiced) within the context of

`righteousness.' In modern times, it seems that `Dharma.' the

fundamental ingredient of Gita is overshadowed by greed and

selfishness. We can safely conclude that the message of Gita without

the fundamental ingredient, `Dharma' in all likelihood will appear to

be corrupted!

 

warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

 

advaitin, "P.R.Ramachander" <prr@b...> wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> I have been a silent asdmirer of the discussion that is going on

in this group.I am ofcourse little disillusioned because of my

ignorance.

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>Dear Friends,

> I have been a silent asdmirer of the discussion that is going on

>in this group.I am ofcourse little disillusioned because of my

>ignorance.

 

.............

> I hope most of you will agree with me that the individuals who

>have really realised the ulimate truth in this present day world are

>a hopeless minority and need to be searched by the most powerful

>electron microscope. Most of us think that we have understood but in

>reality possibly none.

> With Pranams to

>all you,Ramachander

 

Shree Ramachander,

 

Greetings and thanks for coming out of silence and present your

views. In a way you are right, but I would not be that desperate.

With all due respects, I would like to remind you that Shree

Ramachandra-s are always rare and far in between at any age. Sri

Ksihna gives statistics in Bhagavad Geeta -

 

manushyaanaam sahasreshu kachit yatati siddhaye|

yatataatapi siddhaanaam kaschin maam vetti tatvataH|

 

Of the thousands of people only very few like to listen to this

Vedanta and of those only very few want to pursue the path of

realization.

 

It is always the case- the number of people who strive for perfection

in any field are very rare and far in between. The more the

materialistic the world is the less percentage it becomes. But there

are always some at any age. But even if one encounters one, it

requires some samkaara to recognize those persons and those who

recognize and follow evolve themselves. The others on the side line,

who cannot recognize the glory of the teacher will always feel that

those follow are fanatics indeed. This is always the case. There

were people who glorified Krishna was god incornate and even at that

age there were those who thought he was just crooked person. There

are always hundred kouravaas and five pandavas - Any evolution is

always a piramidal structure.

 

I think ultimately it boils down is to question oneself rather worry

about others or about statistics - what is that I am going to do for

me to evolve? Am I following what I believe in? Yoga is ultimately

to integrate ones personality - what I think is right and What I feel

like following is in tune with what I think is right and my actions

reflects what I think and what I feel and what I say - manassa

vaachaa karmaNaa- This is what is called 'aarjavam' -

straightforwardness - This is also 'satyam' and this is also

swadharma - This is only way to evolve - all yogas you mentioned is

to arrive at this - Then there are no internal conflicts within in

spite of what is without.

 

Any way this is my opinion. Thanks again.

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

 

 

 

--

K. Sadananda

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Washington D.C. 20375

Voice (202)767-2117

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Namaste,

 

The Gita gives the 'phala-shruti' [benefits of study] in 5

verses, 18:68-72:

 

[One who eschews austerity, or devotion, or service, and bears

ill-will towards Me, should not study this dialogue - :67].

 

18:70 - Whoever studies this sacred dialogue would be deemed to have

worshipped me with the sacrifice of wisdom.

 

So, it does not matter if we talk, or remain silent,the

'j~naana-yaj~na' will have been performed as a matter of course. Those

who are established in the highest wisdom have no need of performing

the yaj~na. They do not need the vedas or yaj~nas, "in the same way

that a pond is useless during a flood."

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin, "K. Sadananda" <sada@a...> wrote:

 

 

> >I am ofcourse little disillusioned because of my

> >ignorance.

>

> ............

>

> > I hope most of you will agree with me that the individuals who

> >have really realised the ulimate truth in this present day world

are

> >a hopeless minority and need to be searched by the most powerful

> >electron microscope. Most of us think that we have understood but

in

> >reality possibly none.

> > With Pranams

to

> >all you,Ramachander

>

> Shree Ramachander,

>

> Greetings and thanks for coming out of silence and present your

> views.

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Hi all

 

It's very hard to me to write in english, but i'll

try.

 

I think that the world needs peoples non-egoistic that

can change the world. This must be the aim of all our

effort for perfection.

This perfection can appear in this life or not, but

desillusion is for seeking a result. If we act for

love, for the necessity of the Good, there no place

for desillusion.

 

Regards

 

Pablo

 

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