chandogya upanishad vi.3.2

November 22, 2001

Dear sir

Sorry to say that i m confused

U yourself say taht there is no action and result

but only cause and effect and then give example and diffrenciate between cause ,

action etc

In my humble opinion when 2 people sit for meditaion

It is an effect of some cause

Also it is 'action' which becomes

cause for future 'effect'.

In my understanding any action is an effect/result of previous action and its

result/effect becomes the cause for next action

It is a cycle leading to continious action

I think action is effect of previous cause + free will

ANY BODY, WHO CAN CLEAR MY CONFUSION

OR I AM RIGHT !

(previouse action)

On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 umapathy wrote :

> Dear All ,

>

> I feel sorry

> for such a late reply on this discussion ..

> Anyway i will try to put my view and get cleared .

> -

> "Ram Chandran" <

> rchandran

> <advaitin>

> Monday, October 29, 2001 4:20 PM

> Re: chandogya upanishad vi.3.2

> > Namaste Shrinivasji:

> >

> > Here is my understanding of the on going

> discussion. Somehow you seem

> > to separate 'cause' and 'effect' which are

> inseparable. Also, 'action'

> > and 'result' are in separable.

> From my view , there is no

> such thing as action and result . Everything

> is Cause and Effect . There cannot be a action without

> a cause , also a

> result without a cause . Action and Result may be

> a Effect of two different

> (!) causes . So it seems to be seperable .

> Let me try to give a example .

> Say two people A and B meditate on

> god . This is the action . Actually

> Effect of some good thing they have done in the

> past . The result , A may

> realize god , B may not . This may be

> a Effect of some other action

> ( ?? ) of their own . So All comes

> under cause and Effect .

> Hope i didn't confuse , and i am correct , please feel

> free to reply to this

> , also correct me if i am wrong .

> thanks

> umapathy

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November 30, 2001

Dear Mr Bali ,

Once again sorry for such a late reply . Hope the issue is

remembered .

" Cause and Effect are inseperable . Action and Result are seperable " .

I typed a mail with one more example .. again i thought it may confuse again

.. Let me continue in a different way ... I request everyone to correct me if

i am wrong . please ..

First ,

Nothing is seperable .

Next, We see thousands or millions of cause and effect , in and

around us . We try to seperate it .But there is only one cause and Effect

..(Can be stated also as One action and one result . ) We try to seperate ,

it is MAYA .

Next, Being in Maya again , we seperate time , space and that

Cause+ effect . It cannot be . All Are One .

The thought "ALL ARE ONE " is finite , still in maya .

( I think , this is the best state that can be attained by mind , as

mind is also finite . )

When we take out even that "ONENESS" , and as we tend to zero , we

realize infinite .

I tried to list the facts ( as i know ) .....

Now the argument in my mind is , As we need to merge everthing towards

onething , and then to nothing ( the truth ) .. , so we need to realize

action and result are inseperable .

We may do a positive work , the result may be negative . The action is

positive and result is negative . It seems to be seperable . But why the

result has become wrong ? ... Only due to some negative cause of our own

done in the past .

For example ...

Suppose we do some cause1 and cause2 , but both combinely produces a

Effect . Say cause1 = -15 units ( minus fifteen ) , cause2 = 10 units .

Assume it gets added up in this case . So Effect is -5 units .

There may be situation , where cause1 is done very long back . ( still no

effect ) .. When we do cause2 , a positive thing , still the effect is

negative .

What i am trying to tell is, we take cause2 as action , and effect as the

result . As there is no link between them , we see it as seperate things .

Actually cause1+ cause2 = action and Effect is result . We cannot

seperate it .

i am confident of what i wrote .. please correct me if am wrong .

thanks to everyone and with regards

umapathy

-

"N.K.BALI" <jaynkbali

Cc: <jaynkbali

Friday, November 23, 2001 12:17 PM

Re: Re: Re: chandogya upanishad vi.3.2