anirvachanitam/anirukta

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Namaste all,

Today Sada, in a separate listing, used the word

'anirvachaniyam' in relation to that which is

inexpressible.

I am presently studying one aspect of the criteria for

the mystical experience as defined by various academic

disciplines in the West. This aspect is 'ineffability'

which is listed by the majority of contributers over

the last 200 years.

Using my Sanskrit dictiuonary I came up with several

words for 'ineffability' of which anirukta and

anirvachaniiyah were two of the more accurate.

I particularly liked this definition of

anirukta...'because of being clear by itself.'

Using Jacobs the following references for anirukta

were Ch.Up. 1.13.3, 2.22.1 and Taitt.Up. 2.6.1,

2.7.1...all these refs having been relevant in other

recent postings by many members of this site.

I have found no refs. in Jacobs for anirvachanitam. As

he does not include Shankara's writings in his

concordance this is a possible reason.

Two questions for the list members:

Does anyone know of a concordance for Shankara's

writings in English or Sanskrit?

Does anyone know of other refs. to the above words or

of other Sanskrit terms for 'ineffable' which means,

as the characteristic of mystical experience: that

which is beyond the power of words to describe

although its experience gives rise to knowledge?

I know of the Upadesha Sahasri verse 31: 'Words fall

back from the Self together with the mind since it is

without attributes and without particular

characteristics.'(Taitt.Up. 2.9)

This is the foundation of my little study.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Om Sri Ram

Ken

 

 

 

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Namaste,

 

advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote:

> Using Jacobs the following references for anirukta

> were Ch.Up. 1.13.3, 2.22.1 and Taitt.Up. 2.6.1,

> 2.7.1...all these refs having been relevant in other

> recent postings by many members of this site.

> I have found no refs. in Jacobs for anirvachanitam. As

> he does not include Shankara's writings in his

> concordance this is a possible reason.

 

 

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Another reason was that Jacobs worked on only 60 of the upanishads.

The word 'anirvachaniiyam' does not occur in the 'mukhya' [main

upanishads, but is used in the following upanishads [sadhale's

Concordance [1940; in Sanskrit only]:

 

maNDala-brahmaNa

tripaad-vibhuuti-mahaa-naaraayaNa

niraalamba

yoga-tattva

pai~Ngala

 

gaNesha-uttara-taapinii [not in the 108 of Muktika list].

 

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> Two questions for the list members:

> Does anyone know of a concordance for Shankara's

> writings in English or Sanskrit?

 

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There is a reference to this in one of the messages, but not cited

completely. A.J. Alston is referred to as aompiler of Shankara's

Sources; will need to look more closely into this.

 

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> Does anyone know of other refs. to the above words or

> of other Sanskrit terms for 'ineffable' which means,

> as the characteristic of mystical experience: that

> which is beyond the power of words to describe

> although its experience gives rise to knowledge?

> I know of the Upadesha Sahasri verse 31: 'Words fall

> back from the Self together with the mind since it is

> without attributes and without particular

> characteristics.'(Taitt.Up. 2.9)

 

 

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Maitri, Vraha upanishads use the word: avaachyam;

 

nR^isi.nha-taapinii : avaa~N-mano-gocharam

 

Guadapada uses: akathyam

 

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Regards,

 

Sunder

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Namaste,

 

This is the only reference I have found, and it does not appear

to be complete!

 

Alston, A.J.: Samkara on The Soul

 

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advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a concordance for Shankara's

> writings in English or Sanskrit?

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sunder,

Thanks for this and the other mail which I will follow

up.

> This is the only reference I have found, and

> it does not appear

> to be complete!

>

> Alston, A.J.: Samkara on The Soul

 

Dr Alston is a member of Shanti Sadan here in London

and researched his PhD in Banaras Hindu University.

About three years ago I wrote to him just before I

went to Varanasi and the BHU to meet someone who

shared one of my interests. Dr Alston is an excellent

Sanskritist and advaitin and he has written a set of

books on Adishankaracharya of which the above is one.

We were going to meet up but he became seriously ill

so we had to cancel the meeting.

I will try to re-establish the contact, if he is still

alive, so thank you for reminding me.

If you wanted to follow up the link to Shanti Sadan

try: shanti-sadan.org.uk

This organisation was set up by H.P.Shastri of 'World

Within Mind' fame as well as several other works.

thanks for your help

Om sri ram

Ken Knight

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Ken,

 

Thanks for the lead!

Their Book-shop does list Alston's 6-vol. work on Shankara; but I do

not see any subtitle as a Concordance.

 

http://www.shanti-sadan.org/Shop/index.htm

 

Title

Author

Each

Samkara - 6 vol set - Source Book

Alston, Dr A J

£48.00

 

 

A new approach to the texts of India's greatest philosopher and

interpreter of the Upanishads. This work in six volumes brings

together the main texts of Samkara, freshly translated and grouped

systematically into topics. Each section is introduced by a

passage of explanation, and the Notes aim to serve both

the specialist and the general reader.

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote:

>

>

> Dr Alston is a member of Shanti Sadan here in London

> Dr Alston is an excellent

> Sanskritist and advaitin and he has written a set of

> books on Adishankaracharya of which the above is one.

> We were going to meet up but he became seriously ill

> so we had to cancel the meeting.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sunder,

These books are excellently researched and I can

recommend them to anyone. Individually they cost about

$11. The only problem is that they do not have an

index...why do serious authors not include an index

with their work? This failing makes me forget all

about advaita and jump up and down with frustration.

Still, a little bit of rajas is necessary at times,

Om sri ram

Ken

> Their Book-shop does list Alston's 6-vol. work on

> Shankara; but I do

> not see any subtitle as a Concordance.

>

> http://www.shanti-sadan.org/Shop/index.htm

>

> Title

> Author

>

> Each

> Samkara - 6 vol set - Source Book

> Alston, Dr A J

>

> £48.00

 

 

 

 

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Namaste,

 

To see the range of possibilities for an index, please

see Edwin Arnold's translation of the Gita:

 

http://www.intratext.com/ixt/ENG0045/_index.htm

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

 

advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote:

>

> --- "N.K.BALI" <jaynkbali@r...> wrote:

> > These days as u have rightly said index has become a

> > must.Keeping in mind this requirement i am building

> > up an index on bhagavad gita.

> >

> "http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna/index_index.html"

> > you may kindly go through the same and let me know

> > if some improvements are required.

>

>

> Namaste,

> Thank you for your work on this project which is of

> great value to my friends to whom I have recommended

> the site.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sunder,

How did you manage to get a reply from Shanti Sadan

before I did...indeed the great US wields mighty

influence? Maybe they thought they would be targeted

by a smart bomb. Sudden thought!!!! Instead of

bombarding Afghanistan with wind-up radios fixed to a

US propaganda wavelength we should drop tapes looped

to repeat Laillahahillalah...my spelling probably

wrong..which is a central mantra for Islam...'There is

but one God'. Then we could have all the combatants

literally brain-washed.

Side thought over.

These Gita refs are fun for their use of English.Eg. I

was able to look up the word 'cottage' in the Gita..a

word I had never met there before. The lectures on

Gita/Pauline Epistles are also interesting how they

reflect their time.

This was the time when the small group of people in

power in England tramped over the world, establishing

their might. So much good work was done then in

opening up the Vedas to the West...Germany was some

way ahead then as probably now...although the main

intention was to show the West how foolish were these

Eastern scriptures. Some are more subtle in their

message and some obviously fearful of the Church/state

reaction so although the Gita is seen here 'As the

perfect flowering of human thought' the seed of the

Pauline Epistles will come to perfect fulfilment in

the ages to come. This lecture appeared when I looked

up Ahriman in the concordance and found a lecture on

the comparison between the 'Christ Impulse and the

Krishna Impulse'.

Nowadays in the West we stand upon the shoulders of

these great scholars to see much further and I wonder

how they would view the present dialogues that we

have.

Some years ago I listed a number of books/translations

of the Bhagavad Gita for students at a university

where a friend lectures. I graded them for the level

of interest of the reader. As we should not use

attachements on this site I will send an attachment to

your e-mail below.

Enjoy the moment

ken

 

--- sunderh wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> To see the range of possibilities for an index,

> please

> see Edwin Arnold's translation of the Gita:

>

> http://www.intratext.com/ixt/ENG0045/_index.htm

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunder

>

>

>

> advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...>

> wrote:

> >

> > --- "N.K.BALI" <jaynkbali@r...> wrote:

> > > These days as u have rightly said index has

> become a

> > > must.Keeping in mind this requirement i am

> building

> > > up an index on bhagavad gita.

> > >

> >

>

"http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna/index_index.html"

> > > you may kindly go through the same and let me

> know

> > > if some improvements are required.

> >

> >

> > Namaste,

> > Thank you for your work on this project which is

> of

> > great value to my friends to whom I have

> recommended

> > the site.

>

>

 

 

 

 

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