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Namaste,

 

mat chittaaH mat gata-praaNaaH bodhayantaH parasparam.h .

kathayantaH cha maa.n nitya.n tushhyanti cha ramanti cha ..

 

shriimad-bhagavad-giitaa 10:9

 

'With their thought on Me, with their life absorbed in Me,

instructing each other, and ever speaking of Me, they are content and

delighted.'

 

Ch.10:v.9.

 

___________________

 

atha ashhTamo.adhyaayaH . Chapter 8 : Verses 5-10

[with Shankara-Bhashya, tr. Sw.Gambhirananda]

 

akshara-brahma-yogaH. The Yoga of the Imperishable Absolute.

 

___________________

 

 

=====================================================================

 

antakaale cha maameva smaranmuktvaa kalevaram.h .

yaH prayaati sa madbhaavaM yaati naastyatra sa.nshayaH

... 5..

 

5. And at the time of death, anyone who departs by

giving up the body while thinking of Me alone, he attains My state.

There is no doubt about this.

 

cha, and ; anta-kaale, at the time of death; yaH, anyone who;

prayaati, departs; muktvaa, by giving up; kalevaram, body;

smaran, while thinking; maam eva, of Me alone, who am the supreme

Lord Vishnu; saH, he; yaati, attains; madbhaavam, My state, the

Reality that is Vishnu, asti, there is; na, no; sa.nshayaH, doubt;

atra, about this, in this regard, as to whether he attains (Me) or

not.

 

'This rule does not apply in relation to me alone.'

'What then?'

 

___________________

 

yaM yaM vaa.api smaranbhaavaM tyajatyante kalevaram.h .

taM tamevaiti kaunteya sadaa tadbhaavabhaavitaH .. 6..

 

6. O son of Kunti, thinking of any entity whichever it

may be one gives up the body at the end, he attains that very

one, having been always engrossed in its thought.

 

kaunteya, O Son of Kunti; smaran, thinking of; bhaavam,

any entity, any particular deity; yam yam vaa api, which ever it

may be; tyajati, one gives up; kalevaram, body; ante, at the end, at

the time of the departure of life; eti, he attains; tam tam eva, that

very one, that very entity which is remembered-none else; having been

sadaa, always; tadbhaava-bhaavitaH, engrossed in its thought.

Engrossment in it is tad-bhaavaH; one by whom that isremembered as a

matter of habitual recollection is tadbhaava-bhaavitaH.

 

Since the last thought is thus the cause of acquiring the next body-

 

____________________

 

tasmaatsarveshhu kaaleshhu maamanusmara yudhya cha .

mayyarpitamanobuddhirmaamevaishhyasyasa.nshayaH .. 7..

 

7. Therefore, think of Me at all times and fight.

There is no doubt that by dedicating your mind and intellect to Me,

you will attain Me alone.

 

tasmaat, therefore; anusmara, think of; maam, Me, in the way

prescribed by the scriptures; sarveshhu kaaleshhu, at all times; and

yudhya, fight, engage yourself in war, which is your own (caste) duty.

asa.nshayaH, there is no doubt in this matter; that

arpita-mano-buddhih, by dedicating your mind and intellect; mayi; to

Me; eshyasi, you-you who have thus dedicated your mind and intellect

to Me, Vasudeva-will attain; maam eva, Me alone, as I shall be

remembered.

[When the Lord instructs Arjuna to think of Him, and at the same

time engage in war, it may seem that He envisages a combination of

Knowledge and action. But this is not so, because

when one thinks of all actions, accessories and results that come

within the purview of the mind and the intellect as Brahman, it is

denied that actions etc. have any separate reality apart from Brahman.

Therefore no combination is involved here.]

___________________

 

Besides,

 

abhyaasayogayuktena chetasaa naanyagaaminaa .

paramaM purushhaM divya.n yaati paarthaanuchintayan.h .. 8..

 

8. O son of Prtha, by meditating with a mind which is engaged in the

yoga of practice and which does not stray away to

anything else, one reaches the supreme Person existing in the

effulgent region.

 

paartha, O son of Prtha; anu-chintayan, by meditating, i.e.

contemplating in accordance with (anu) the instruction of teachers and

scriptures; chetasaa, with a mind; abhyaasa-yogayuktena, engaged in

the yoga of practice-abhyasa, practice, consists in the

repetition of the same kind of thought, uninterupted by any contrary

idea, with regard to Me who am the object of concentration of the

mind; that practice itself is yoga; the mind of a yogi is

engrossed(yuktam) in that itself; with a mind that is such, and na

anya-gaamina, which does not stray away to anything else which is not

inclined to go away to any other object; yaati, one reaches; the

paramam,supreme, unsurpassed; purushham, Person; divyam, existing in

the effulgent region (divi), in the Solar Orb.

 

And, to what kind of a Person does he go? This is being

stated:

 

___________________

 

kaviM puraaNamanushaasitaaraM

aNoraNiiya.nsamanusmaredyaH .

sarvasya dhaataaramachintyaruupaM

aadityavarNaM tamasaH parastaat.h .. 9..

 

9. He who meditates on the Omniscient, the Ancient, the Ruler, subtler

than the subtle, the Ordainer of everything, of inconceivable form,

effulgent like the sun, and beyond darkness-(he attains the supreme

Person).

 

yaH, he who, anyone who; anusmaret, meditates on; kavim, the

Omniscient, the Knower of things past, present and future; puraaNam,

the Ancient, the Eternal; anushasitaram, the Ruler,the

Lord of the whole Universe; aNiiya.nsam, subtler; aNoh, than the

subtle; dhaataaram, the Ordainer; sarvasya, of every-thing-one who

grants the fruits of actions, in all their varieties, individually to

all creatures; achintya-ruupam, who is of inconceivable form-His

form, though always existing, defies being conceived of by anybody;

aaditya-varNam, who is effulgent like the sun, who is manifest as

eternal Consciousness like the effulgence of the sun; and

parastaat, beyond; tamasaH, darkness-beyond the darkness of delusion

in the form of ignorance-(he attains the supreme Person).

This verse is to be connected with the earlier itself thus: 'by

meditating (on Him)....he attains Him.'

 

Further,

 

____________________

 

prayaaNakaale manasaa.achalena

bhaktyaa yukto yogabalena chaiva .

bhruvormadhye praaNamaaveshya samyak.h

sa taM paraM purushhamupaiti divyam.h .. 10..

 

10. At the time of death, having fully fixed the Prana

(vital force)between the eyebrows with an unswerving mind, and

being imbued with devotion as also the strength of concentration, he

reaches that resplendent supreme person.

 

prayaaNa-kaale, at the time of death; after first bringing the mind

under control in the lotus of the heart, and then lifting up the vital

force-through the nerve going upward-by gradually gaining control over

(the rudiments of nature such as) earth etc. [space, air, fire, water

and earth.] and after that, samyak, aaveshya, having fully fixed;

praaNam, the Prana (vital force); madhye, between; the bhruvoH,

eye-brows, without losing attention; achalena manasaa, with an

unwavering mind; he, the yogi possessed of suchwisdom, yuktaH,

imbued; bhaktyaa, with devotion, deep love; ca eva, as also;

yoga-balena, [Yoga means spiritual absorption, the fixing of the mind

on Reality alone, to the exclusion of any other

object.] with the strength of concentration-i.e; imbued with that

(strength) also, consisting in steadfastness of the mind arising from

accumulation of impressions resulting from spiritual absorption;

upaiti, reaches; tam, that; divyam, resplendent; param, supreme;

purushham, Person, described as 'the Omniscient, the Ancient,'

etc.

The Lord again speaks of Brahman which is sought to be

attained by the process going to be stated, and which is described

through such characteristics as, 'What is declared by the knowers

of the Vedas,'etc.:

 

[to be cotd.

 

=====================================================================

 

For Gita Dhyana Shlokas/Mantras and Mahatmya

/message/advaitin/6987

 

---

 

Adi Shankara's commentary, translated by Swami

Gambhirananda, at URL:

[kindly supplied by Madhava-ji]

 

advaitinGita/Shankara1/gmbCH6.htm

 

___________________

 

 

Swami Chinmayananda's commentary at URL:

[kindly supplied by Ram-ji]

 

advaitinGita/Chinmaya/COMM6.HTM

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respected sunder jee

jai shri krishna

 

thanks for your gita satsang

 

could u write the chapter wise summary of gita for agyanees like us

 

i will be pleased to post it on the website in the 'essence' section so that it

will be to good to more people

 

with regards

nkbali

 

note:essence section can be reached by clicking

"http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna/index_essense.html"

 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 sunderh wrote :

> Namaste,

>      mat chittaaH mat gata-praaNaaH

> bodhayantaH parasparam.h .

>      kathayantaH cha maa.n nitya.n

> tushhyanti cha ramanti cha ..    

>  

>          

>          

>          

>          

>          

>          

>          

>       

>          

> shriimad-bhagavad-giitaa 10:9

>     'With their thought on Me, with

> their life absorbed in Me,

> instructing each other, and ever speaking of Me, they

> are content and

> delighted.'  

>          

>    

>          

> Ch.10:v.9.

>          

>      

> ______-

> _____________

> atha ashhTamo.adhyaayaH .  Chapter  8 :

> Verses 5-10

> [with Shankara-Bhashya, tr. Sw.Gambhirananda]

> akshara-brahma-yogaH. The Yoga of the Imperishable

> Absolute.

>          

>      

> ______-

> _____________

>          

>      

> ========================================================-

> =============

> antakaale cha maameva smaranmuktvaa kalevaram.h .

> yaH prayaati sa madbhaavaM yaati naastyatra sa.nshayaH

> .. 5..

> 5. And at the time of  death, anyone who departs

> by

> giving up the body while thinking of Me alone, he

> attains My state. 

> There is no doubt about this.

>          

>       

> cha, and ; anta-kaale, at the time of death; yaH,

> anyone who;

> prayaati, departs; muktvaa, by giving up; kalevaram,

> body;

> smaran, while thinking; maam eva, of Me alone, who am

> the supreme

> Lord Vishnu; saH, he; yaati, attains; madbhaavam, My

> state, the

> Reality that is Vishnu, asti, there is; na, no;

> sa.nshayaH, doubt;

> atra, about this, in this regard, as to whether he

> attains (Me) or

> not.

>          

>       

> 'This rule does not apply in relation to me

> alone.' 

> 'What then?'

>          

>      

> ______-

> _____________

> yaM yaM vaa.api smaranbhaavaM tyajatyante kalevaram.h .

> taM tamevaiti kaunteya sadaa tadbhaavabhaavitaH .. 6..

> 6. O son of Kunti, thinking of any entity whichever it

> may be one gives up the body at the end, he attains

> that very

> one, having been always engrossed in its thought.

>          

>       

> kaunteya, O Son of Kunti; smaran, thinking of; bhaavam,

> any entity,  any particular deity; yam yam vaa api,

> which ever it

> may be; tyajati, one gives up; kalevaram, body; ante,

> at the end, at

> the time of the departure of life; eti, he attains; tam

> tam eva, that

> very one, that  very entity which is

> remembered-none else; having been

> sadaa, always; tadbhaava-bhaavitaH, engrossed in its

> thought. 

> Engrossment in it is tad-bhaavaH; one by whom that

> isremembered  as a

> matter of habitual recollection is tadbhaava-bhaavitaH.

>          

>       

> Since the last thought is thus the cause of acquiring

> the next body-

>          

>      

> ______-

> ______________

> tasmaatsarveshhu kaaleshhu maamanusmara yudhya cha .

> mayyarpitamanobuddhirmaamevaishhyasyasa.nshayaH .. 7..

> 7. Therefore, think of Me at all times and fight. 

> There is no doubt that by dedicating your mind and

> intellect to Me,

> you will attain Me alone.

>          

>       

> tasmaat, therefore; anusmara, think of; maam, Me, in

> the way

> prescribed by the scriptures; sarveshhu kaaleshhu, at

> all times; and

> yudhya, fight, engage yourself in war, which is your

> own (caste) duty.

> asa.nshayaH, there is no doubt in this matter; that

> arpita-mano-buddhih, by dedicating your mind and

> intellect; mayi; to

> Me; eshyasi, you-you who have thus dedicated your mind

> and intellect

> to Me, Vasudeva-will attain; maam eva, Me alone, as I

> shall be

> remembered.

> [When the Lord instructs Arjuna to think of Him, and at

> the same

> time engage in war, it may seem that He envisages a

> combination of

> Knowledge and action.  But this is not so, because

> when one thinks of all actions, accessories and results

> that come

> within the purview of the mind and the intellect as

> Brahman, it is

> denied that actions etc. have any separate reality

> apart from Brahman.

> Therefore no combination is involved here.]

> ______-

> _____________

>          

>       Besides,

> abhyaasayogayuktena chetasaa naanyagaaminaa .

> paramaM purushhaM divya.n yaati paarthaanuchintayan.h

> .. 8..

> 8. O son of Prtha, by meditating with a mind which is

> engaged in the

> yoga of practice and which does not stray away to

> anything else, one reaches the supreme Person existing

> in the

> effulgent region.

>          

>       

> paartha, O son of Prtha; anu-chintayan, by meditating,

> i.e.

> contemplating in accordance with (anu) the instruction

> of teachers and

> scriptures; chetasaa, with a mind; abhyaasa-yogayuktena,

> engaged in

> the yoga of practice-abhyasa, practice, consists in the

> repetition of the same kind of thought, uninterupted by

> any contrary

> idea, with regard to Me who am the object of

> concentration of the

> mind; that practice itself is yoga; the mind of a yogi

> is

> engrossed(yuktam) in that itself; with a mind that is

> such, and  na

> anya-gaamina, which does not stray away to anything

> else which is not

> inclined to go away to any other object; yaati, one

> reaches; the

> paramam,supreme, unsurpassed; purushham, Person; divyam,

> existing in

> the effulgent region (divi), in  the Solar Orb.

>          

>       

> And, to what kind of a Person does he go? This is being

> stated:

>          

>      

> ______-

> _____________

> kaviM puraaNamanushaasitaaraM

>      

> aNoraNiiya.nsamanusmaredyaH .

> sarvasya dhaataaramachintyaruupaM

>       aadityavarNaM tamasaH

> parastaat.h .. 9..

>          

>          

>     

> 9. He who meditates on the Omniscient, the Ancient, the

> Ruler, subtler

> than the subtle, the Ordainer of everything, of

> inconceivable form,

> effulgent like the sun, and beyond darkness-(he attains

> the supreme

> Person).

>          

>       

> yaH, he who, anyone who; anusmaret, meditates on; kavim,

> the

> Omniscient, the Knower of things past, present and

> future; puraaNam,

> the Ancient, the Eternal; anushasitaram, the Ruler,the

> Lord of the whole Universe; aNiiya.nsam, subtler; aNoh,

> than the

> subtle; dhaataaram, the Ordainer; sarvasya, of

> every-thing-one who

> grants the fruits of actions, in all their varieties,

> individually to

> all creatures; achintya-ruupam, who is of inconceivable

> form-His

> form, though always existing, defies being conceived of

> by anybody;

> aaditya-varNam, who is effulgent like the sun, who is

> manifest as

> eternal Consciousness like the effulgence of the sun;

> and

> parastaat, beyond; tamasaH, darkness-beyond the

> darkness of delusion

> in the form of ignorance-(he attains the supreme Person)

> . 

> This verse is to be connected with the earlier itself

> thus: 'by

> meditating (on Him)....he attains Him.'

>          

>       

>    Further,

>          

>      

> ______-

> ______________

> prayaaNakaale manasaa.achalena

>      bhaktyaa yukto yogabalena

> chaiva .

> bhruvormadhye praaNamaaveshya samyak.h

>      sa taM paraM purushhamupaiti

> divyam.h .. 10..

>          

>       

> 10. At the time of death, having fully fixed the Prana

> (vital force)between the eyebrows with an unswerving

> mind, and

> being imbued with devotion as also the strength of

> concentration, he

> reaches that resplendent supreme person.

>          

>       

> prayaaNa-kaale, at the time of death; after first

> bringing the mind

> under control in the lotus of the heart, and then

> lifting up the vital

> force-through the nerve going upward-by gradually

> gaining control over

> (the rudiments of nature such as) earth etc. [space,

> air, fire, water

> and earth.] and after that, samyak, aaveshya, having

> fully fixed;

> praaNam, the Prana (vital force); madhye, between; the

> bhruvoH,

> eye-brows, without losing attention; achalena manasaa,

> with an

> unwavering mind; he, the yogi possessed of suchwisdom,

> yuktaH,

> imbued; bhaktyaa, with devotion, deep love; ca eva, as

> also;

> yoga-balena, [Yoga means spiritual absorption, the

> fixing of the mind

> on Reality alone, to the exclusion of any other

> object.] with the strength of concentration-i.e; imbued

> with that

> (strength) also, consisting in steadfastness of the

> mind arising from

> accumulation of impressions resulting from spiritual

> absorption;

> upaiti, reaches; tam, that; divyam, resplendent; param,

> supreme;

> purushham, Person, described as 'the Omniscient, the

> Ancient,'

> etc.

> The  Lord again speaks of Brahman which is sought

> to be

> attained by the process going to be stated, and which

> is described

> through such characteristics as, 'What is declared by

> the knowers

> of the Vedas,'etc.:

>          

>          

>          

>    [to be cotd.

>          

>      

> ========================================================-

> =============

>          

>       For Gita Dhyana

> Shlokas/Mantras and Mahatmya

>          

>      

> /message/advaitin/6987

>          

>      

> ------------------------

> -------------

>          

>       Adi Shankara's

> commentary, translated by Swami

> Gambhirananda, at URL:

>          

>       [kindly supplied by

> Madhava-ji]

>          

>      

> advaitinGita/Shanka-

> ra1/gmbCH6.htm

>          

>      

> ______-

> _____________

>          

>       Swami Chinmayananda's

> commentary at URL:

>          

>       [kindly supplied by

> Ram-ji]

>          

>      

> advaitinGita/Chinma-

> ya/COMM6.HTM

>         

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Namaste Bali-ji,

 

When so many outstanding summaries are available on-line,

I hesitate to post additional ones. [sri Ramakrishna and Swami

Vivekananda made it a point to dissuade seekers - sadhakas - from

harping on their being 'ajnanis' or 'sinners'! They wanted all to

remember constantly that we are the 'Children of Immortal Bliss', the

way Rishis addressed us.]

 

I strongly recommend the following site for a 2-page summary

of Chapter 8.

 

http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/gita/gita_13.html

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

 

advaitin, "N.K.BALI" <jaynkbali@r...> wrote:

>

>

> could u write the chapter wise summary of gita for agyanees like us

>

>

> with regards

> nkbali

>

> note:essence section can be reached by clicking

> "http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna/index_essense.html"

>

>

> Visit my site on 'BHAGVAD GITA', a spiritual delight.You will love

it.

> http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna

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What does thinking of Me alone mean? Is it a state of

Samadhi ?

 

Hari Om,

Anand

 

 

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>

> antakaale cha maameva smaranmuktvaa kalevaram.h .

> yaH prayaati sa madbhaavaM yaati naastyatra

> sa.nshayaH

> .. 5..

>

> 5. And at the time of death, anyone who departs by

> giving up the body while thinking of Me alone, he

> attains My state.

> There is no doubt about this.

>

> cha, and ; anta-kaale, at the time of death; yaH,

> anyone who;

> prayaati, departs; muktvaa, by giving up; kalevaram,

> body;

> smaran, while thinking; maam eva, of Me alone, who

> am the supreme

> Lord Vishnu; saH, he; yaati, attains; madbhaavam, My

> state, the

> Reality that is Vishnu, asti, there is; na, no;

> sa.nshayaH, doubt;

> atra, about this, in this regard, as to whether he

> attains (Me) or

> not.

>

> 'This rule does not apply in relation to me alone.'

>

> 'What then?'

>

>

___________________

>

> yaM yaM vaa.api smaranbhaavaM tyajatyante

> kalevaram.h .

> taM tamevaiti kaunteya sadaa tadbhaavabhaavitaH ..

> 6..

>

> 6. O son of Kunti, thinking of any entity whichever

> it

> may be one gives up the body at the end, he attains

> that very

> one, having been always engrossed in its thought.

>

> kaunteya, O Son of Kunti; smaran, thinking of;

> bhaavam,

> any entity, any particular deity; yam yam vaa api,

> which ever it

> may be; tyajati, one gives up; kalevaram, body;

> ante, at the end, at

> the time of the departure of life; eti, he attains;

> tam tam eva, that

> very one, that very entity which is remembered-none

> else; having been

> sadaa, always; tadbhaava-bhaavitaH, engrossed in its

> thought.

> Engrossment in it is tad-bhaavaH; one by whom that

> isremembered as a

> matter of habitual recollection is

> tadbhaava-bhaavitaH.

>

> Since the last thought is thus the cause of

> acquiring the next body-

>

>

 

 

 

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Namaskaram.

I am trying to give you my understanding based on a discussion I had with a

scholar in Madras some time ago -

 

Anand Natarajan <harihara.geo>

>

> What does thinking of Me alone mean? Is it a state of

> Samadhi ?

>

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>>

>> antakaale cha maameva smaranmuktvaa kalevaram.h .

>> yaH prayaati sa madbhaavaM yaati naastyatra

>> sa.nshayaH

>> .. 5..

>>

>> 5. And at the time of death, anyone who departs by

>> giving up the body while thinking of Me alone, he

>> attains My state.

>> There is no doubt about this.

 

In discussing this, I believe that Appaiya Dikshidhar has given the example

of a concubine! - A concubine sports with many people, in different places

and at different times - yet, her only goal is their money. Never for one

moment is she attached to or really loves any one except the money. So also,

our mind, while apparently engaged in "sporting" with the eyes (or objects

seen by the eye), the ear (or sounds heard) and so on, must only show

superficial affection or attention. The mind must always be keen only the

fact that the eye sees and the ear hears because of Him alone, He who

animates the world and is our indweller.

 

Another analogy given is the story from the mahabharata where Drona as the

teacher asks his pupils to aim at a toy bird of a tree. Everyone sees the

big picture, but Arjuna sees the eye of the bird alone. Nothing else is seen

for nothing else matters when the goal is known. So also here. The goal is

Bhagavaan. He is to be the ONLY thing the mind is occupied with at the time

of departing from the body. This will happen only if the mind is thinking of

Him allways, even when engaged in activities through the eyes, ears etc.

 

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Namaste,

 

The equating of 'thinking of Me alone' would certainly qualify

for the state of 'samadhi' as defined in the Gita [Ch 2, verses

54-72].

 

Also, the answer is given in verse 7, ch. 8.

 

Importantly, when Krishna refers to anything in the first

person singular pronoun or verb, this is always in the constant

awareness of : aham aatmaa ...[10:20](I am the Atman); and brahmaNo

hi paratishhThaa aham ..[14:27](I am the abode of Brahman), in other

words brahma - aatmaa - aikyam [identity of aatman and brahman].

 

Vivekachudamani, verse #31, defines bhakti also as :

sva-svaruupa-anusandhaanaM bhaktiH iti abhidhiiyate . The seeking

after one's real nature is designated as devotion.

 

Another analogy for the constant thinking [nididhyaasanam] is

that of the 'unbroken stream of oil' [taila-dhaaraa-vat].

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin, "Vaidya Sundaram" <vaidya_narayanan> wrote:

>

> Anand Natarajan <harihara.geo>

> >

> > What does thinking of Me alone mean? Is it a state of

> > Samadhi ?

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Namaste,

 

Thank you Sri Vaidya Sundaramji and Sri Sunderji

for the replies. Vaidyaji's reply seems to be from the

point of single pointed concentration. Though Arjuna

had attained such a state, it did not bestow on him

Jnana. I accept the analogy for its explanation. But

during one's life time it takes more than just one

pointed concentration to achieve liberation. One has

to be established in it. Sri Sunderji says that

Awareness as in Samadhi is refered to by this stanza.

Why does the Lord use the word "Smara" or to think?

In the last stanza of the second chapter, the Lord

uses the word "Sthitva" meaning to be established ?

What is the diference between the current stanza and

the last stanza of the second chapter ?

 

Regards,

Anand

 

>Another analogy given is the story from the

>mahabharata where Drona as the

>teacher asks his pupils to aim at a toy bird of a

>tree. Everyone sees the

>big picture, but Arjuna sees the eye of the bird

>alone. Nothing else is seen

>for nothing else matters when the goal is known. So

>also here. The goal is

>Bhagavaan. He is to be the ONLY thing the mind is

>occupied with at the time

>of departing from the body. This will happen only if

>the mind is thinking of

>Him allways, even when engaged in activities through

>the eyes, ears etc.

>

> The equating of 'thinking of Me alone' would

> certainly qualify

> for the state of 'samadhi' as defined in the Gita

>

> Importantly, when Krishna refers to anything

> in the first

> person singular pronoun or verb, this is always in

> the constant

> awareness of : aham aatmaa ...[10:20](I am the

> Atman); and brahmaNo

> hi paratishhThaa aham ..[14:27](I am the abode of

> Brahman), in other

> words brahma - aatmaa - aikyam [identity of aatman

> and brahman].

>

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Anandaji,

 

smara refers to remembering; verses 5-6-7 form a continuum.

 

In #5, Krishna says 'even at the time of departing, if one remembers

Me, one will reach My state'. This would be like the Puranic story of

King Ajamila, who gained salvation just by remembering the Lord's name

accidentally when on his deathbed he called out for his son

'Narayana'!

 

In #6, Krishna says 'whatever one remembers at the time of departing,

one gains that state.'

 

In #7, He states ' THEREFORE [tasmaat], remember Me at all times and

perform your duties'. In other words, do not leave it to chance!

 

In 2:72, sthitvaa refers to the same exhortation as 8:7; to be

established in the state of a sthitaprajna [samaadhistha], one has to

remember 'brahma-aatma-aikya' [one's true nature as being identical

with the Supreme Spirit] at all times; this alone will ensure the

liberation from the cycle of deaths and births.

 

The remembrance has to be made 'taila-dhaara-vat' [like an unbroken

stream of oil].

 

Hope this answers your question.

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

 

 

 

advaitin, Anand Natarajan <harihara.geo> wrote:

>

>

> Awareness as in Samadhi is refered to by this stanza.

> Why does the Lord use the word "Smara" or to think?

> In the last stanza of the second chapter, the Lord

> uses the word "Sthitva" meaning to be established ?

> What is the diference between the current stanza and

> the last stanza of the second chapter ?

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namaste anand jee and sunder jee

in the same chapter ie the 7th adhyay of bhagavad gita

Lord also tells to be established in yoga at the time

of death to reach the supreme goal in shlokas 10,12,13

 

 

you may visit the link below and click on 'Death' in

the index

http://in.geocities.com/index_index.html

 

or click adhyay 7 shlokas 10,12,13 in

http://in.geocities.com/index_text.html

 

nkbali

 

 

 

 

--- sunderh <sunderh wrote: > Namaste

Anandaji,

>

> smara refers to remembering; verses 5-6-7 form

> a continuum.

>

> In #5, Krishna says 'even at the time of departing,

> if one remembers

> Me, one will reach My state'. This would be like the

> Puranic story of

> King Ajamila, who gained salvation just by

> remembering the Lord's name

> accidentally when on his deathbed he called out for

> his son

> 'Narayana'!

>

> In #6, Krishna says 'whatever one remembers at the

> time of departing,

> one gains that state.'

>

> In #7, He states ' THEREFORE [tasmaat], remember Me

> at all times and

> perform your duties'. In other words, do not leave

> it to chance!

>

> In 2:72, sthitvaa refers to the same exhortation as

> 8:7; to be

> established in the state of a sthitaprajna

> [samaadhistha], one has to

> remember 'brahma-aatma-aikya' [one's true nature as

> being identical

> with the Supreme Spirit] at all times; this alone

> will ensure the

> liberation from the cycle of deaths and births.

>

> The remembrance has to be made 'taila-dhaara-vat'

> [like an unbroken

> stream of oil].

>

> Hope this answers your question.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunder

>

>

>

> advaitin, Anand Natarajan

> <harihara.geo> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Awareness as in Samadhi is refered to by this

> stanza.

> > Why does the Lord use the word "Smara" or to

> think?

> > In the last stanza of the second chapter, the Lord

> > uses the word "Sthitva" meaning to be established

> ?

> > What is the diference between the current stanza

> and

> > the last stanza of the second chapter ?

>

>

>

>

 

=====

 

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namaste anand jee and sunder jee

in the same chapter ie the 7th adhyay of bhagavad gita

Lord also tells to be established in yoga at the time

of death to reach the supreme goal in shlokas 10,12,13

 

 

you may visit the link below and click on 'Death' in

the index

http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna/index_index.html

 

or click adhyay 7 shlokas 10,12,13 in

http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna/index_text.html

 

nkbali

 

 

 

 

--- sunderh <sunderh wrote: > Namaste

Anandaji,

>

> smara refers to remembering; verses 5-6-7 form

> a continuum.

>

> In #5, Krishna says 'even at the time of departing,

> if one remembers

> Me, one will reach My state'. This would be like the

> Puranic story of

> King Ajamila, who gained salvation just by

> remembering the Lord's name

> accidentally when on his deathbed he called out for

> his son

> 'Narayana'!

>

> In #6, Krishna says 'whatever one remembers at the

> time of departing,

> one gains that state.'

>

> In #7, He states ' THEREFORE [tasmaat], remember Me

> at all times and

> perform your duties'. In other words, do not leave

> it to chance!

>

> In 2:72, sthitvaa refers to the same exhortation as

> 8:7; to be

> established in the state of a sthitaprajna

> [samaadhistha], one has to

> remember 'brahma-aatma-aikya' [one's true nature as

> being identical

> with the Supreme Spirit] at all times; this alone

> will ensure the

> liberation from the cycle of deaths and births.

>

> The remembrance has to be made 'taila-dhaara-vat'

> [like an unbroken

> stream of oil].

>

> Hope this answers your question.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunder

>

>

>

> advaitin, Anand Natarajan

> <harihara.geo> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Awareness as in Samadhi is refered to by this

> stanza.

> > Why does the Lord use the word "Smara" or to

> think?

> > In the last stanza of the second chapter, the Lord

> > uses the word "Sthitva" meaning to be established

> ?

> > What is the diference between the current stanza

> and

> > the last stanza of the second chapter ?

>

>

>

>

 

=====

 

with best wishes,

 

N.K.BALI

 

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Namaste:

 

Here is my understanding of this important verse in Chapter 8. I still

remember the lively discussion that we had during our weekly Gita

Satsang. 'My state' is a reference to the state of ultimate reality.

 

At the vyavahara level we are under the spell of mAyA - the unending

cycle of life and death. The only way to get liberated from this cycle

is remember Him atleast, at the time of death. The time of death (also

as a matter of fact, the time of birth)cannot be predicted precisely.

Consequently the 'one and only way' to remember Him at the time of

death is to call his name all the time! This may explain why our

parents, grand parents and great grand parents named their children

with God's names so that they can call His name through the children.

In typical Indian joint family system at the time of death of

elderely, he/she is surrounded by close relatives. This guaranteed for

those people with the wisdom to remember Him by calling the

name of their children and grand children.

 

The messages of every verse in Gita contain both direct and most

important some powerful subtle meanings. By further contemplation, we

can get deeper philosophical meaning of Gitacharya's statment. The

reference 'Me' is a direct reference to 'Self' and 'remembering Me'

referes to 'Self-Realization.' In other words, Bhagawan says that

those who realize the Self even just at the time of death they can

become the Paramathma (Brahman) from Jivathma (bounded by the cycle of

life and death).

 

warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, "sunderh" <sunderh> wrote:

> Namaste Anandaji,

>

> smara refers to remembering; verses 5-6-7 form a continuum.

>

> In #5, Krishna says 'even at the time of departing, if one remembers

> Me, one will reach My state'.

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