Guest guest Posted December 13, 2001 Report Share Posted December 13, 2001 --- ramvchandran <rchandran wrote: > I strongly recommend that you go ahead and post >your summaries of chapter one per week with the >book title as the subject of the thread. After the >summary state some questions that focuses on the >subject matter of that chapter. I am advised to post the summary and here it is continuing with the second chapter. The first was on 6th Dec. The structure of posting "A-B-C-D" is as follows: Part A: Synopsis So far - for recap Part B: Chapter 2 Summary Part C: What comes after this posting - in brief Part D: My own Queries- if any. Summary of Swami Ashokaananda (RK Mutt Order)Book on "The Soul's Journey to its destiny" published by Advaita Ashrama, Himalayas OM Namo Narayana! Intro: Swami Ashokananda was in charge of Vedanta Society of North California from 1932 till his Samadhi in 1969. The book is an edited version of his lectures in 1953 at San Francisco. The book explains the vedantic concept of the origin of human being , his constitution, the causes behind his present state of existence, his development, and his ultimate fulfillment. Many of the theoratical aspects of Vedanta and their practical application to everyday life are well explained. Part A: Synopsis so far. Swamiji tells us in the first chapter that what started (and remains) as "Nirguna Brahman" (the infinite and absolute consciousness) became "as it were" (not really) into several layers of degradation and one of these layers is this human form of you and me. Briefly the proces is from Brahman to Isvara to Hiranyagharba to virat with the indvidual souls now becoming visva. This is the degenartion of causal to subtle to gross. The humans are thus seemingly composed of 3 different and distinct entities: Body matter, mind and pure self -as jivatma). How can these 3 dissimilar entities come together? The metaphyscial answer is- it seems to be together "as it were', not really. But till this basic ignorance is removed, this state will continue. How to get back to the "original self" is in chapters that follow. The second chapter deals with Mind. It is the instrument with which we can get back to our divine self and hence we must have a good understanding of it. It is the source of ignorance and also our only means of clearing the ignorance- Hence the details. Part B : Summary of Chapter 2: The Mysterious Ways of the Mind It is possible to travel from ordinary or natural state to the state of illumination or Self realization. However most spiritual aspirants are not always "observant" of the "process" of change as it is not their objective. Their attention being directed towards God, they do not observe what goes on in their mind and if they do, not always forma true idea. They view it as an individual experience rather than a human phenomenon. Modern psychology often suffers from ignorance of basic knowledge of mind. They are not concerned with metaphysics, not involved in any speculation but consider themselves as scientists. But does not interpretation of mental phenomena pre-suppose many things outside it such as a "sense of value". So how can a mind be trained in a " certain way" unless the result is desirable. You attain a certain state of knowledge, then your mind begins to wonder if that is imperfect. You begin to inquire and momemnt you find something superior, you try to rise up to it. You may not do so at once , held down by present position or past habit. Without struggle you cannot extricate yourself resulting in a conflict. Ofcourse not all conflicts are desirable, but without conflict, changes do not occur. On the otherhand in India, during the last 5000 years or so, many sages and seers investigated and experienced spiritual reality, compared notes and came to a consencus about the creation of man, world, God & nature of mind. They were rational, free in thought, and followed the trail of logic to its conclusion. Thus they could actually come to direct perception of one' own self and the self of this universe, the "God". This line of thinking on mind was made more clear by Patanjali who codified it as Yoga sashtra. A characteristics of these sutras is they are in the form of aphorisms. This was mainly due to the oral tradition where the teacher or individual"guru" would explain and and elaborate to his selected group of followers and students. So in brief, the ancient Hindu methods on control of mind were based on empirical studies of spiritual progress with observations on various intermediate steps. One of the starting and startling premise is that "mind", as we know it, is not necessary at all. This is because our own being or self is a spiritual substance, it is perfect even without mind and body. Infact it is diluted by such associations. However as of now, we have the mind & body and using them we perceive the world around us. This also could mean other worlds with either finer or coarser beings can exist (other humans) which are not perceived by our 5 senses. This also brings out the relevance of religion which is infact a quest for truth.It is one of the many functions of man to give him a mental break. It is to discover inner consciousness, make the mind high and realize self. As per Patanjali, when there is no movement in the mind, we are in self and get the fruit of yoga. Till then we tend to identify with movements of our mind, the state of bondage e.g. pain and pleasure. The theory on mind is: Our present state is an ignorant state. Ignorance fumbling within its own darkness has to assume an origin of its own condition which is "maya". This creates a sense of "otherness" from self "as it were" - not really but virtually. Mind is the instrument by which this otherness is perpetuated and also eventually conquered. When that happens, mind is also conquered and destroyed as it is really not necessary (for self). Due to this sense of otherness, we develop a sense of limitation. Also there arises a desire to possess the other to produce fullfillment. So the dynamics is , that due to this sense of otherness we set up a movement within ourself not content with the recognition that there is something other than me. We continously try to know it, enjoy it, possess it and test it. This sense of otherness does not remain static, it starts to degenerate. This is the way of the mind. So starting from Nirguna Brhaman, there has been a series of degradations or dilutions in both the subject (the viewer) and the object (what is viewed). The causal universe, becomes subtle universe, changing to gross, as we humans know it. It is possible there has been further degradations into nether world where demons and other dark beings possibly live. So although in the beginning, the objective world was the same nature as spirit, due to degradation the individual begins to realize himself first as a mental being and then as a physical being. The world of object also changes from spirit to ideas and then to world of matter. Thus the subject and object become widely separated. So we now find the world of objects opposed to us and thus we start frantic efforts to get it united or grab as much as possible. Mind as per vedanta has 4 aspects: "Buddhi" is the intelligence and the highest aspect. It represents complete knowledge or understanding. The state preceding it is "Manas" or indecisive state of mind e.g. twilight. The third aspect which is distinct from these two is "ahamkara" or ego. It is the sense of "I" we all have. "I" is a part of mind because its predicates are, all derived from the mind. Whatever condition the mind reflects, "I" identifies itself with it. e.g. " I am" happy or "I am" miserable etc. The fourth and lowest part of the mind is "citta". This is an aspect that is seeking gratification. It is the subconscious and unconscious part that receive the impact of the senses from the outside and stored there mostly without our explicit knowledge or control. The sensations start with the body but become perceptions in mind. The intermediate thing as per our philosphers is "tanmatra" (that only), which are subtle sources of matter closer to mind than to gross matter. The perceptions are stored in citta. The ordinary persons cannot do anything about what enters his citta. There the memories remain as experience. The new sensations in their raw form then get referred to "manas", the phase of uncertian knowledge, where ideas have not yet become clear. Then they come to the highest part of the mind, the "buddhi" and we get a clear perception or thought. These thoughts can be of either origin, from an external sensation or from a stored sensation in citta passing through manas. Now where does ahamkara come "I" come in? (it is discussed in more depth in a separate chapter later). The "I" tacks itself into manas first then to buddhi. This way mind comes into contact with what we feel the "other", the objective phase of reality, which we try to know and possess. As long as we have this obsession, the mind will go on doing these things. But if we say, "There is nothing I want" and there is no such thing as the "other" then these different functions of mind stops. It does not have to search for anything, it just exists in its own true nature, transparent to the light of the inner spirit. To do this as per Patanjali, movements and modifications of the mind must be stopped. This is like not even one ripple on the surface of a lake. Breaking into waves is called a "vritti". While the number of vrittis can be infinite as there are infinite* movements of knowing an infinite* objects presented, they can be broadly classified. (the * refers to "infinite" for later refernce) One of these is "Pramana" or correct knowledge. Another is "viparaya" or incorrect knowledge. But this classification varies depending on our mental and spiritual status. The third group is "vikalpa" which is an idea without an object. e.g. "I have a headache" or "vandhya putra" (son of a barren woman). The fourth kind is nidra or deep sleep where the only vritti is "I am not knowing anything". Incidentally this is not "samadhi". Yoga is not just making the mind vacant, not that simple. It is "nirodha", utter silence of mind, infinite calmness and complete knowledge. The fifth vritti is memory which raises the movement in the mind. So the 5 classifications are: Correct knowledge, error, verbal delusion, deep sleep and memory. These vrittis can be either Klista (create pain- even if it initally starts as a pleasure) or aklista(creates true happiness- even if it initially is painful). Klista types of experience limits the soul and aklista takes the soul out of bondage. Because of the nature of mind to record all experiences, the law of Karma is born. If no impressions of experience is left in citta, we could get rid of it. (That is why in Baghvat Gita, Lord Krishna asks us to assign all benefits to him for all our actions and not to claim experiences - to avoid being subject to law of Karma) The way to become free as per patanjali is "abhyassa" (practice) and "vairagya" (dispassion). This leads to "prathiba" (flashing of an inner light). It can also be called as genius or intution. In the beginning it is hard to change, because of wrong habits for a long time. It requires a little struggle and mind can become healthy & wholesome. After that movement of mind is clear, mind is peaceful and larger vistas before you. If you do not believe all this, then "OK, Go on experiencing". Part C: What follows after this - in brief What is the reason for different people having different lifestyles and fortunes even if we are all from one origin, How does the soul exactly move about from start to finish, What is the role of ego or self identity, What are unconscious and superconscious parts of the mind and how it is linked to one cosmic mind in the universe, Why we should focus on conscious mind as first step towards purification and Finally an empiriacl and practical "demo" of all these principles, in our own body via "Kundalini" yoga. Part D; Queries: (not from the book) I am too small in knowledge or purity, to take up an issue with Swamiji, but I have one doubt which the group can clarify. The Swamiji refers above * to "infinite" thoughts and objects. I think the quality of "infinite" is essentially divine. It is difficult to comprehend more than one "infinity". While the parts of the mind are 4 and aspects are 5, then why not a finite size of the mind or the number of thoughts is finite like a photo album. So the query is: a) Is there any size for the human mind, like Mb in computers? Is it mentioned in any part of vednata? I could see the rating (impure to pure or coated with a mix of 3 vasanas etc), but what about the size which will determine the number of contents. b) I also think that this size of the mind must be more or less equal in all human beings. "God" in his wisdom has made all of us almost equal physically, in the sense we all have - One soul, one mind and one head, two hands, and two legs -atelast in most cases. So I think he would have also made the size of our mind same, especially as the holding instrument (brain) is almost same size. c) Each thought leads eventally to a coating of vasanas. So it is possible to hypotheise that when the total coating reaches a certian predetermined limit, the soul decides to leave the body. Pranams to all P.B.V.Rajan Prathivadhi Bayankaram Varadha Rajan Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Sri Rajanji, I really enjoyed reading the summary. Please keep up with the postings. Here is my understanding of the issues that you have raised in your questions: > > a) Is there any size for the human mind, like Mb in > computers? Is it mentioned in any part of vednata? I > could see the rating (impure to pure or coated with a > mix of 3 vasanas etc), but what about the size which > will determine the number of contents. > The 'size' of any entity is a concept, an idea, a thought construction in the mind. The mind itself is an incessant flow of thoughts one after another. The mind, in turn, being illumined and supported by the self-shining supreme consciousness. In the mind, there is the concept of an 'object' followed by the concept of 'its size' amidst other ideas, thoughts. Thus, the mind, in a way, is the container of both the object being measured as well as its size. Hence all 'objects' and 'sizes' are in the mind. What size, thus, can the mind have? The problem here being that we are trying to assign the attribute of a gross entity to something that is subtler. > b) I also think that this size of the mind must be > more or less equal in all human beings. "God" in his > wisdom has made all of us almost equal physically, in > the sense we all have - One soul, one mind and one > head, two hands, and two legs -atelast in most cases. > So I think he would have also made the size of our > mind same, especially as the holding instrument > (brain) is almost same size. The physical organ, the brain, can be localized in the body. However, the location of the mind cannot be poinpointed for all locations are in the mind! Thus, we cannot talk about the location for the mind, nor its size. Regards, --Satyan > > c) Each thought leads eventally to a coating of > vasanas. So it is possible to hypotheise that when the > total coating reaches a certian predetermined limit, > the soul decides to leave the body. > > Pranams to all > P.B.V.Rajan > Prathivadhi Bayankaram Varadha Rajan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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