Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 colette wrote: > Well for sure it sure is humbling Frank to be reminded that any use > of words and conceptual meaning is just the lila. But what about the > other reminder that even all, is just That so is no need to belittle > but honour even in its differentiation .. For sure we need to not > let attachment to forms overshadow That. yes, i agree. even the trick that causes us to believe in the separative ego (avarana or veiling) is itself only brahman the All. nevertheless, we have to admit that succumbing to that exclusive limit *exclusively* diverts our mind into *conceiving* traps to begin with! now, if you can explain to me what i just said, i'd appreciate it immensely! :-)) peace in OM. -frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 advaitin, "egodust" <egodust@d...> wrote: > colette wrote: > > Well for sure it sure is humbling Frank to be reminded that any use > > of words and conceptual meaning is just the lila. But what about the > > other reminder that even all, is just That so is no need to belittle > > but honour even in its differentiation .. For sure we need to not > > let attachment to forms overshadow That. > > yes, i agree. even the trick that causes us to believe in the > separative ego (avarana or veiling) is itself only brahman the All. So why call it a trick? > nevertheless, we have to admit that succumbing to that exclusive limit > *exclusively* diverts our mind into *conceiving* traps to begin with! As is the play of said Brahman > > now, if you can explain to me what i just said, i'd appreciate it > immensely! :-)) Don't sweat it! I prefer to not see it as trick but as the play of the Lord of Love. How else is Love to experience? There is neither Past nor Future. These is only the Present. Yesterday was the present to you when you experienced it, and tomorrow will also be the present when you will experience it. Therefore experience takes place only in the present, and beyond experience, nothing exists.' Ramana Maharshi Is experience a burden or a gift? Col > > peace in OM. > -frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Namaste, Confirmation can be gleaned from Gita V:4-7, with Shankara Bhashya on them. [archives messages # 7431 and following threads]. Regards, Sunder advaitin, "raghavakaluri" <raghavakaluri> wrote: > Dearest Seekers, > I wish you all a 'Happy New Year 2002'. > > We had seen very interesting viewpoints towards 'Study of Scriptures' > and 'Meditation'. > > It is my understanding that both of them are helpers on the way and > we have in Gita12:12 something that is more fundamental than the > above two, which I quote here: > > Gita 12:12 - > 'Knowledge' is indeed better than 'practice' ; 'meditation' is better > than 'knowledge' ; 'renunciation of the fruits-of-actions' is better > than 'meditation' ; peace immediately follows 'renunciation. '. > > Please feel free to confirm or deny the above. > > Kind Regards, > Raghava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 Hi, Renunciation suggests giving up, releasing, relinquishing. Surely peace can follow. Meditation it seems is not fully effective- giving up must be there for enlightement. I see this with the Buddha. My understanding is that the Buddha really stopped and then sat - and that is rare - like the seeking just ended. (This isn't just my idea - Dave Oshana taught it before I realised it's essential truth) hellman http://www.oshana.org advaitin, "raghavakaluri" <raghavakaluri> wrote: > Gita 12:12 - > 'Knowledge' is indeed better than 'practice' ; 'meditation' is better > than 'knowledge' ; 'renunciation of the fruits-of-actions' is better > than 'meditation' ; peace immediately follows 'renunciation. '. > > Please feel free to confirm or deny the above. > > Kind Regards, > Raghava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2002 Report Share Posted January 3, 2002 yes dear hellman u r correct but what should be renounced an excellent reading is provided by Lord Himself click the following and read adhyay 18 shloka 5 to 11 http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna/index_text.html with regards n k bali --- hellmayo <hellmayo wrote: > Hi, > > Renunciation suggests giving up, releasing, > relinquishing. Surely > peace can follow. > > Meditation it seems is not fully effective- giving > up must be there > for enlightement. > > I see this with the Buddha. > > My understanding is that the Buddha really stopped > and then sat - and > that is rare - like the seeking just ended. (This > isn't just my idea - > Dave Oshana taught it before I realised it's > essential truth) > > hellman > > http://www.oshana.org > > > > advaitin, "raghavakaluri" > <raghavakaluri> wrote: > > > Gita 12:12 - > > 'Knowledge' is indeed better than 'practice' ; > 'meditation' is > better > > than 'knowledge' ; 'renunciation of the > fruits-of-actions' is > better > > than 'meditation' ; peace immediately follows > 'renunciation. '. > > > > Please feel free to confirm or deny the above. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Raghava > > > ===== with best wishes, N.K.BALI Visit my site on ' Bhagavad Gita ', a spiritual delight.You will love it. http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna ______________________ Download Logos, Picture Messages & Ringtones for your mobile phone Visit http://mobile..co.in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Namaste, Shri Raghavaji Kalluri [presently on a visit to India, and unable to respond to this directly himself] requested me to post his clarification of the context of his post in which he was referring specifically to the 'renunciation of the fruits of action'; he further referred to Sw. Vivekananda's explication of the same. He will be able to respond in more detail after his return to USA. Regards, Sunder advaitin, "hellmayo" <hellmayo@a...> wrote: > Hi, > > Renunciation suggests giving up, releasing, relinquishing. Surely > peace can follow. > > Meditation it seems is not fully effective- giving up must be there > for enlightement. > > I see this with the Buddha. > > My understanding is that the Buddha really stopped and then sat - and > that is rare - like the seeking just ended. (This isn't just my idea - > Dave Oshana taught it before I realised it's essential truth) > > hellman > > http://www.oshana.org > > > > advaitin, "raghavakaluri" <raghavakaluri> wrote: > > > Gita 12:12 - > > 'Knowledge' is indeed better than 'practice' ; 'meditation' is > better > > than 'knowledge' ; 'renunciation of the fruits-of-actions' is > better > > than 'meditation' ; peace immediately follows 'renunciation. '. > > > > Please feel free to confirm or deny the above. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Raghava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2002 Report Share Posted January 4, 2002 Forwarded Message from Sri Peshtin <saddestragaishappyrajaok wrote: > Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:34:02 -0000 > Re: My thoughts on Samadhi & Advaita > > dear sirs, > > my own reflections reflect an awareness of being > aware. > this goal of lack of knowledge of deep sleep as life > convinced the > person in samadhi, as i am told i am, because dogma > escaped > the cycle of misunderstanding---i.e. nirvkalpa as > reflection > through philosophical awareness. > > All men naturally desire knowledge. An indication of > this is our > esteem for the senses; for apart from their use we > esteem them > for their own sake, and most of all the sense of > sight. Not only > with a view to action, but even when no action is > contemplated, > we prefer sight, generally speaking, to all the > other senses.The > reason of this is that of all the senses sight best > helps us to > know things, and reveals many distinctions. > > Besides the foregoing problems about the first > principles we > must also raise the question whether they are > universal or such > as we describe the particulars to be. For if they > are universal, > there will be no substances; for no common term > denotes an > individual thing, but a type; and substance is an > individual > thing.But if the common predicate be hypostatized as > an > individual thing, Shankara will be several beings: > himself, and > Man, and Animal--that is, if each predicate denotes > one > particular thing.These then are the consequences if > the > principles are universal. If on the other hand they > are not > universal but like particulars, they will not be > knowable; for the > knowledge of everything is universal. Hence there > will have to be > other universally predicated principles prior to the > first principles, > if there is to be any knowledge of them. > > Truth means to think these objects, and there is no > falsity or > deception, but only ignorance--not, however, > ignorance such as > blindness is; for blindness is like a total absence > of the power of > thinking. And it is obvious that with regard to > immovable things > also, if one assumes that there are immovable > things, there is > no deception in respect of time.E.g., if we suppose > that the > triangle is immutable, we shall not suppose that it > sometimes > contains two right angles and sometimes does not, > for this > would imply that it changes; but we may suppose that > one thing > has a certain property and another has not; e.g., > that no even > number is a prime, or that some are primes and > others are not. > But about a single number we cannot be mistaken even > in this > way, for we can no longer suppose that one instance > is of such a > nature, and another not, but whether we are right or > wrong, the > fact is always the same. > > But if, as in the case of the phonetic elements, > there is no > reason why there should not be many A's and B's, and > no "A > itself" or "B itself" apart from these many, then on > this basis there > may be any number of similar syllables. > > atmachaitanya108 is a wise man. self manistation is > unknowable---he proves it as well as shankaraji > himself. > > > Hare OM, Om > > Mr. O. Peshtin ===== Tips to Members from the Advaitin List Moderators 1) While replying, avoid repeating the entire message and be brief. 2) Be considerate to your fellow members and focus only on the subject matter. 3) When you are in doubt, contac the moderators at advatins 4) Split long articles into several parts and post them separately. 5) Suggestions/comments can be sent to advaitins 6) Advaitin Webspace: advaitin Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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