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Namaste Raghavaji:

 

Honestly no one can point out whether Shanakracharya

have ever made a statment exactly as quoted: 'THE

ATTAINMENT OF SAMADHI IS OF NO MORE VALUE

THAN THE ATTAINMENT OF DEEP SLEEP, YOU GO INTO IT

IGNORANT AND YOU COME OUT OF IT IGNORANT.'

 

Here is my understanding of the logic of Acharya's

statement. Whether he said it or not, the statement is

quite valid from the Advaitic point of view of Samadhi

in the context of Self-Realization. Self-realization

is never a momentary experience but it is an

unexpalinable Truth. If the experiecer perceives that

he or she had the experience of 'SAMADHI,' it is a

momentary reflection just like a dream. No one can

make the claim, that I was in the 'Black Hole!' Any

such claim just confirms that the person was not in

the Black Hole! The experiencer is superimposed with

the experience (knower of the field and the field

can't be dual but it is non-dual).

 

To answer the question, "When does the experience of

'Samadhi' become real?" we should examine the

biography of Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi. Ramanar had a

strange experience when he was a youth and he didn't

consider that Samadhi as real but it transformed him

as a true seeker. That was quite responsible for him

to go to Arunachala to get His Grace and as the True

Seeker, he got His Blessings! The rest is history!

 

In conclusion, Shanakara's Statement on Nirvikalpa

Samadhi is quite conditional and is a warning on false

claims.

 

warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

> Raghava Kaluri <raghavakaluri

> Shankara's statement on Nirvikalpa Samadhi

> advaitin-owner

>

> Dearest Sirs,

>

> I had put a query a couple of weeks ago as to where

> Shankara said the following. I do not recall having

> seen a reply to this. I am really curious and would

> like to procure and read from the original when I

> visit India next weekend.

> I would greatly appreciate if you may let me know

> more.

>

> Thanks and kind regards,

> Raghava

> ----------

> --- atmachaitanya108 <stadri wrote:

> <...>

> >

> > The truth of the matter, at least according

> to

> > Sri Shankara,is

> > quite different,for he clearly states that:

> >

> > 'THE ATTAINMENT OF SAMADHI IS OF NO MORE VALUE

> THAN

> > THE ATTAINMENT OF

> > DEEP SLEEP, YOU GO INTO IT IGNORANT AND YOU COME

> OUT

> > OF IT IGNORANT'

> >

> Greetings Shree Atmachaitanya.

>

> I am curious and also have doubts as to where

> Shankara

> may said the above.

>

> Besides, there may more to a deep-sleep or

> Samadhi-state compared to day-to-day perception; for

> in a Upanishad, Ajatasatru explains about the same

> to

> Gargya.

>

> With Love,

> Raghava

 

 

 

 

 

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--- Ram Chandran <ramvchandran wrote:

> Namaste Raghavaji:

>

> Honestly no one can point out whether Shanakracharya

> have ever made a statment exactly as quoted: 'THE

> ATTAINMENT OF SAMADHI IS OF NO MORE VALUE

> THAN THE ATTAINMENT OF DEEP SLEEP, YOU GO INTO IT

> IGNORANT AND YOU COME OUT OF IT IGNORANT.'

>

> Here is my understanding of the logic of Acharya's

> statement. Whether he said it or not, the statement

> is

> quite valid from the Advaitic point of view of

> Samadhi

> in the context of Self-Realization. Self-realization

> is never a momentary experience but it is an

> unexpalinable Truth. If the experiecer perceives

> that

> he or she had the experience of 'SAMADHI,' it is a

> momentary reflection just like a dream. No one can

> make the claim, that I was in the 'Black Hole!' Any

> such claim just confirms that the person was not in

> the Black Hole! The experiencer is superimposed with

> the experience (knower of the field and the field

> can't be dual but it is non-dual).

>

> To answer the question, "When does the experience of

> 'Samadhi' become real?" we should examine the

> biography of Bhagawan Ramana Maharishi. Ramanar had

> a

> strange experience when he was a youth and he didn't

> consider that Samadhi as real but it transformed him

> as a true seeker. That was quite responsible for him

> to go to Arunachala to get His Grace and as the True

> Seeker, he got His Blessings! The rest is history!

>

> In conclusion, Shanakara's Statement on Nirvikalpa

> Samadhi is quite conditional and is a warning on

> false

> claims.

>

> warmest regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

>

>

Dearest Ram ChandranJi,

Thanks for clearing my doubt.

 

Kind regards,

Raghava

 

 

 

 

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