Guest guest Posted January 3, 2002 Report Share Posted January 3, 2002 --- ramvchandran wrote on 4th Dec: > I strongly recommend that you go ahead and post your summaries of chapter one per week. The fourth posting was on 27th Dec. This is the fifth posting on Jan 3rd 2002. The structure of posting "A-B-C-D" is as follows: Part A: Synopsis So far - for recap Part B: Chapter 5 Summary Part C: What comes after this posting - in brief Part D: My own Queries- if any. Summary of Swami Ashokaananda (RK Mutt Order)Book on "The Soul's Journey to its destiny" published by Advaita Ashrama, Himalayas OM Namo Narayana! Intro: Swami Ashokananda was in charge of Vedanta Society of North California from 1932 till his Samadhi in 1969. The book is an edited version of his lectures in 1953 at San Francisco. Part A: Synopsis so far. Swamiji tells us in the first chapter that what started (and remains) as "Nirguna Brahman" (the infinite and absolute consciousness) became "as it were" (not really) into several layers of degradation and one of these layers is this human form of you and me. The second chapter deals with Mind, an instrument with which we can get back to our divine self. It is the source of ignorance and also our only means of clearing the ignorance. The third chapter dealt with "Why we are what we are" by anlaysis of Karma and reincarnation, which are self -operating systems which God in his wisdom has put in place. In the fourth chapter which is the climax of the book, the 3 states- instinctive, deliberative and intutive were discussed. It is shown how man can raise from one level to higher level and eventually get liberated as that is the destiny of the soul. Nature helps in this process. Swamiji explains in beautiful language this experience. Part B: Summary of chapter 5: The Birth and Death of the Ego Here by birth it is not meant a definite event in time, rather its coming into existence, as it were, every moment. All we can say is that if certain conditions prevail, then there will be an ego. When these conditions do not prevail or when they undergo a change, then the ego will disappear. Our deepest experiences are those in which our ego has subsided and another kind of consciousness has emerged. e.g. while listening to music. Mind, the anthakarna (inner instrument), as previously mentioned, has 4 aspects- Buddhi (intellecy), manas(wavering mind), ahmakara(ego) and citta (storage). It is found that the ego really does not fulfill any necessary function in knowing. This is the pecularity of this ego, it does not seem to add anything, yet it scrambles everything, so we do not see what is there to be seen. Where does the "I" the ego, occur in the mind? When the mental process starts, all possibilities have been sorted out in the citta and as aresult , a few alternatives have been presented to the manas, which has to choose for itself, the one it wants. In the citta, the ego has no role to play but now when the mind has to form a desire and a purpose, when it has to make a choice, the "I" ego asserts itself. "I" is most prominent when knowledge is uncertain. In Buddhi or intelligence where knowledge seems sure, I is not so prominent but still present. So in two phases of the mind, manas and buddhi, the "I" is associated. It does not seem to have one special place of its own. "I" never stands alone, that being its pecularity. It is always accompanied bya predicate, except during deep sleep. If only we could say, "I am" with no predicate attached, it would be "pure self". Is there an unconscious "I". If you have "I" then you are conscious. That is why ego has no scope in citta. Where does this "I" consciousness come from? It is made of two principles- cit and jada- the conscious and unconscious. The conscious principle comes from "self". It is the light of the self that shines upon whatever is presented by intelligence. In the buddhi there there is the unconscious, the insentient aspect of ego and the two together give us this egoistic sense. So it has been called "cit-jada-granthi"- a knot made up of 2 starnds, one pure consciousness and the other material phonmenon. For example, One might say "I am ill" and the next morning "I am well". If "I am" and the condition (ill or well) or bound together, there could be no change in my condition. It is because the connection of "I am" with the condition is only accidental and not real that "I am" can be connected to all kinds of diverse conditions. This logic supports the proposition that "I" is essentially separate from any conditions. Because of contrary conditions in me, I undergo change apparently. But still I want permenance, my real nature. So from momemnt to moment, I want to hold on whatever is presented. That is the secret of ego. There are cetain forces and conditions that make this ego seem to exist and those that perpetuate it. As long as you have the sense of limitation to body and mind and seek "completion" from outside, the connection will be there. This is why all spiritual disciplines are telling to cut off all connection with what is given to the ego through the mind, through the body, through external nature and senses. The "esana" - searching or the object of search -the infinite desires of man can be brought into 4 simple headings: -putraisana- desire for children -vittaisana- desire for wealth -daraisana - (desire for mate) -lokaisana (desire for name and fame) the truth is that this world, as you see it, has no reality anywhere. It just has nothing in it. You have everything already within you. When you realize that everything you seek is laready within you, then you stop. The greater your knowledge in this respect, the more tenderly you feel for others, where there is no sentimentality, there is no fanfare. The knowledge of truth will not make you hard hearted, it is the weak who are hard. It is the weak who cannot really feel friendly towards others. True knowledge or perception does not come all at once, there is a long process, only little by little do we come to the realization of this goal. First comes acceptance of whatever comes in our life creating patience & endurance, creating some equanimity Then comes the state of detachment, a higher state. Here one can actually have a sense of separation from the body. Not merely one is able to accept adverse conditions philosphically, they do not touch one any more. Physcial sufferings no longer reach you in the same intensity. This is how one conquers the ego and the mind. Further one proceeds along the path of spirituality, the more powerful become the stroms of the mind. With the sense of detachment, the sense of ego changes. We begin to feel more and more like the spirit. In the much higher state, detachement becomes desirelessness and a mind that does not create any kind of condition. It remains in a natural state of serenity. Does this person with such a mind remain always in meditation. No. The amount of attention required for one's duties in this world is very little compared with the vastness of the mind. You will then become aware of the existence of a wonderful being within yourself- the soul of your soul,God. He will powerfully draw your own consciouseness into himself, you will feel like closing your eyes and diving deep there in meditativeness. A time comes when the ego no longer feels it is a separate entity. Your I has become one with this other consciousness of God. Actually your true self was never lost. It is as though you had regained a lost memory. It is your very own. You feel you have found what was always there, always yours. This realization is the death of the Ego. For some who return from that state, the ego again appears but something as objective (not us). Part C: What follows after this - in brief What are unconscious and superconscious parts of the mind and how it is linked to one cosmic mind in the universe, Why we should focus on conscious mind as first step towards purification and Finally an empiriacl and practical "demo" of all these principles, in our own body via "Kundalini" yoga. Part D; Queries/Opinions: (not from the book) I have one query this week: As per advaitin theory, when one realizes the self, the life as we know it now disappers because the "veil of ignorance- Maya" is removed. If this is the case, as per this theory, there could be only one self/ soul who is subject to this ignorance and can come out of it. Then how is it possible for other souls which are not the whole, but a part and that too a very tiny part of the whole to get this knowledge to remove this ignorance. Does not this mean technically, that only Adi Sankara could get out of this Maya and since there is no one else, other souls cannot get out of something which is not there in the first place? Hari Om and Pranams to all. P.B.V.Rajan (Prathivadhi Bayankaram Varadha Rajan) Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 dear rajan this refers to your question raised in part iv of the summary prepared by u imagine a large room in the universe imagine millions of mud pots in the room now the air in side the pot is like the soul in the body; when the pot breaks then the pot air merges with the room air ie soul merges in Brahman. this happens if maya/prakriti has been taken care off by knowledge if however ignorance predominates, as it happens in most cases; the ahankar with the help of prakriti creats a new pot when the old one is broken and the process goes on and on and on ---- so u see the same 'one is many' (room air)' and many is one (pot air(s)) basicaly it is all Brahman bhagavad gita adhyay 13 shloka 16 states 'though integral like space in its undivided aspect; it appears divided -----' pl click this shloka ie 13.16 in http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna/index_text.html full meaning with regards n k bali --- Rajan PBV <rajanpbv wrote: > --- ramvchandran wrote on 4th Dec: > > I strongly recommend that you go ahead and post > your > summaries of chapter one per week. > > The fourth posting was on 27th Dec. This is the > fifth > posting on Jan 3rd 2002. > > The structure of posting "A-B-C-D" is as follows: > Part A: Synopsis So far - for recap > Part B: Chapter 5 Summary > Part C: What comes after this posting - in brief > Part D: My own Queries- if any. > > Summary of Swami Ashokaananda (RK Mutt Order)Book > on > > "The Soul's Journey to its destiny" > published by Advaita Ashrama, Himalayas > > OM Namo Narayana! > Intro: Swami Ashokananda was in charge of Vedanta > Society of North California from 1932 till his > Samadhi > in 1969. The book is an edited version of his > lectures in 1953 at San Francisco. > > Part A: Synopsis so far. > Swamiji tells us in the first chapter that what > started (and remains) as "Nirguna Brahman" (the > infinite and absolute consciousness) became "as it > were" (not really) into several layers of > degradation > and one of these layers is this human form of you > and > me. The second chapter deals with Mind, an > instrument > with which we can get back to our divine self. It is > > the source of ignorance and also our only means of > clearing the ignorance. The third chapter dealt with > "Why we are what we are" by anlaysis of Karma and > reincarnation, which are self -operating systems > which > God in his wisdom has put in place. In the fourth > chapter which is the climax of the book, the 3 > states- > instinctive, deliberative and intutive were > discussed. > It is shown how man can raise from one level to > higher > level and eventually get liberated as that is the > destiny of the soul. Nature helps in this process. > Swamiji explains in beautiful language this > experience. > > > Part B: Summary of chapter 5: > The Birth and Death of the Ego > > Here by birth it is not meant a definite event in > time, rather its coming into existence, as it were, > every moment. All we can say is that if certain > conditions prevail, then there will be an ego. When > these conditions do not prevail or when they undergo > a > change, then the ego will disappear. > > Our deepest experiences are those in which our ego > has > subsided and another kind of consciousness has > emerged. e.g. while listening to music. > > Mind, the anthakarna (inner instrument), as > previously > mentioned, has 4 aspects- Buddhi (intellecy), > manas(wavering mind), ahmakara(ego) and citta > (storage). > > It is found that the ego really does not fulfill any > necessary function in knowing. This is the > pecularity > of this ego, it does not seem to add anything, yet > it > scrambles everything, so we do not see what is there > to be seen. > > Where does the "I" the ego, occur in the mind? When > the mental process starts, all possibilities have > been > sorted out in the citta and as aresult , a few > alternatives have been presented to the manas, which > has to choose for itself, the one it wants. In the > citta, the ego has no role to play but now when the > mind has to form a desire and a purpose, when it has > to make a choice, the "I" ego asserts itself. "I" is > most prominent when knowledge is uncertain. In > Buddhi > or intelligence where knowledge seems sure, I is not > so prominent but still present. > > So in two phases of the mind, manas and buddhi, the > "I" is associated. It does not seem to have one > special place of its own. "I" never stands alone, > that > being its pecularity. It is always accompanied bya > predicate, except during deep sleep. > > If only we could say, "I am" with no predicate > attached, it would be "pure self". Is there an > unconscious "I". If you have "I" then you are > conscious. That is why ego has no scope in citta. > > Where does this "I" consciousness come from? It is > made of two principles- cit and jada- the conscious > and unconscious. The conscious principle comes from > "self". It is the light of the self that shines upon > whatever is presented by intelligence. In the buddhi > there there is the unconscious, the insentient > aspect > of ego and the two together give us this egoistic > sense. So it has been called "cit-jada-granthi"- a > knot made up of 2 starnds, one pure consciousness > and > the other material phonmenon. > > For example, One might say "I am ill" and the next > morning "I am well". If "I am" and the condition > (ill > or well) or bound together, there could be no change > in my condition. It is because the connection of "I > am" with the condition is only accidental and not > real > that "I am" can be connected to all kinds of diverse > conditions. This logic supports the proposition that > "I" is essentially separate from any conditions. > > Because of contrary conditions in me, I undergo > change > apparently. But still I want permenance, my real > nature. So from momemnt to moment, I want to hold on > whatever is presented. That is the secret of ego. > > There are cetain forces and conditions that make > this > ego seem to exist and those that perpetuate it. As > long as you have the sense of limitation to body and > mind and seek "completion" from outside, the > connection will be there. > > This is why all spiritual disciplines are telling to > cut off all connection with what is given to the ego > through the mind, through the body, through external > nature and senses. > > The "esana" - searching or the object of search > -the infinite desires of man can be brought into 4 > simple headings: > -putraisana- desire for children > -vittaisana- desire for wealth > -daraisana - (desire for mate) > -lokaisana (desire for name and fame) > > the truth is that this world, as you see it, has no > reality anywhere. It just has nothing in it. You > have > everything already within you. When you realize that > everything you seek is laready within you, then you > stop. > > The greater your knowledge in this respect, the more > tenderly you feel for others, where there is no > sentimentality, there is no fanfare. The knowledge > of > truth will not make you hard hearted, it is the weak > who are hard. It is the weak who cannot really feel > friendly towards others. > > True knowledge or perception does not come all at > once, there is a long process, only little by little > do we come to the realization of this goal. > > First comes acceptance of whatever comes in our life > creating patience & endurance, creating some > equanimity > > Then comes the state of detachment, a higher state. > Here one can actually have a sense of separation > from > the body. Not merely one is able to accept adverse > conditions philosphically, they do not touch one any > more. Physcial sufferings no longer reach you in the > same intensity. This is how one conquers the ego and > the mind. > > Further one proceeds along the path of spirituality, > the more powerful become the stroms of the mind. > With > the sense of detachment, the sense of ego changes. > We > === message truncated === ===== with best wishes, N.K.BALI Visit my site on ' Bhagavad Gita ', a spiritual delight.You will love it. http://in.geocities.com/gitabykrishna ______________________ Looking for a job? Visit India Careers Visit http://in.careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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