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Namaste to all that have been following this discusion of Shastra

Pramana,

I would ask that you all ponder the reson why Sri Shankara did

not remain silent and went on and on, with great effort to refute all

those whom he felt were either 1) misinterpreting the Vedic teaching,

as well as those 2) who rejected the Vedic teaching. These

explicit refutations can be summerized as follows:

(Refutation of Brahminacal Schools)

1) Refutation of Liberation through Action

2) Refutation of Liberation through Knowledge and Action combined

3) Refutation of Bheda-Abeda(diference and non differnce) Vada

4) Refutation of Prapancha Vilya(dissolution of the world)Vada

5) Refutation of Spota Vada (creation through Word)

6) Refutation of the Pasupatas (All of Shaivism)

7) Refutation of the Pancaratras (All of Vaishnavism)

 

(Refutation of Non-Vedic World Views)

8) Refutation of Materialism

9) Refutation of Samkhyas

10) Refutation of Yoga Darshana

11) Refutation of Nyaya and Vishesikas

12) Refutation of the Buddhists

13) Refutation of Jainas

 

And last but not least, Shankaras refutation of the Tarkikas

(Logicians) deserves a few comments as it is

extremely relavant to our discussion of Shastra Pramana.

 

Tarka (Dialectic) Its Purpose and Rules

 

Apart from various specialized uses of the term, dialectic in

general, called Tarka in Sanskrit, is defined as the art of

philosophical argumentation, concieved especially as the effort to

discover and eliminate contradictions in thought. According to

Shankara, the Truth is already possessed in immediate intuition by

all, but is obscured by ignorance and false convictions. Being

infinite, it cannot be encapsulated in any conceptual system. The

"means of knowledge" (Pramana) relavant to the Infinite is not

preception or inference, but the authority of the Vedic texts, when

the later are interpreted with the 'aid of reason' and 'result in'

immediate intuitional experience of the Absolute. The final awakening

to Truth can only occur through the communication of the supreme

Upanishadic texts by a qualified teacher to a qualified pupil. In

Shankaras writting, therefore,the function of dialectic is confined to

the removal of obstacles to the pupil's understanding of the true

meaning of the supreme Upanishadic texts, particularly the obstacles

arising from false convictions derived from false convictions derived

from the arguments of rival schools.

 

Indeed, the use of reason on the spiritual path has a 'remote' and

'intimate' phase. The intimate phase, in Shankara's eyes the more

important, concerns the immediate causes of failure to understand the

supreme texts, in particular the failure to isolate the texts

concerned with the Supreme Goal from those that concern lesser goals,

the failure to interpret them correctly once isolated,and the failure,

due to the deeply ingraind adverse predjudices of ignorance, to attain

an immediate realization of their truth even when they have been

isolated and correctly interpreted. Shankara recognized no distinction

between really understanding the meaning of the supreme texts and

having immediate apprehension of their truth, since they simply state

the true nature of the hearer.

 

However, it is the 'remote' phase of reasoning on the spiritual

path that has to be clarified. Here it has the purpose, not of guiding

the pupil to an understaning of the Texts, but of protecting him

from false suggestions coming from outside the pale. Dialectic (tarka)

in this sense involves the exposure of the logical fallacies of those

who advance world-views based on perception and inference that

contradict the teaching of the Upanishads. Amongst the Brahminical

schools of this kind, who paid lip-service to the Veda, we find the

dualistic Samkhyas,whose philosopical tenets were also largely

boorowed by the Yoga School, and the Vaishesikas, whose philosophical

tenets were largely borrowed by the Naiyayikas and(to a lesser degree)

by the Mimasikas. The Materialists, Buddhists and Jainas evolved

their own teachings in consious oppostionto the Veda.

 

Shankara's refutation of the thinkers of the aboved-mentioned

schools merely fills out and develops the work of refutation that is

already present in nascent form in the Brahma Sutras. The technique is

essentially that of exposing the hidden contradictions latent in the

opponent's view that he himself is not aware of. He either fails to

remember that what he had said earlier has already cut away the branch

on which he is now trying to sit, or else he fails to see that the

hidden implications of what he is saying now land him in contratiction

with what is said elsewhere by his own school. The Brahma Sutras had

alreaky charged the schools enumerated above with 1)

self-contradiction(Pratijna-hani, 2)the fallcacy of infinate regress

(anavastha), 3)the inablility to solve the same problem in one's own

system, for which the opponent is taken to task(sva-paksa-dosha).

 

Shankara adds to the above a few maxims which help to limit the

scope of fantasy in explaining worldly events on the basis of

perception and inference:

 

1) 'There can be alternative views with regard to actions but

not to facts'.

2) 'One cannot make hypotheses that contradict experience'

3) 'No entity is extablished as real from the mere fact that

words are used to refer to it'.

4)'If it were possible to bring non-existent things into

existence through the mere power of the imagination, everyone would

realize his evey desire'.

 

Thus these discussions are niether useless, nor are they merely for

the sake of 'ego gratification'. If we were all to just remain silent

there would be no Shankara commentaries, nor the Advaita web site.

 

Hari Om

Atmachaitanya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin, "Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava@f...> wrote:

> Dear Visji,

>

> Hari Om! Please take it easy. All is in the eyes of the beholder.

Though

> I understand you, I would request you to ignore comments which are

not

> suitable in such a way Gandharva Pushpadanda has seen it!

Pusphadanta is a

> Gandharva who had fallen from grace and at the end by praying to

Lord Shiva

> he regains his status. In his very famous "Sivamahimna stotra"

(Hymn

> composed on the Greatness of Lord Shiva) he addresses Lord Shiva

very

> nicely.

>

> For example, Lord Shiva got a blue scar on his neck because of

drinking

> poison and holding it there. But it looked very ugly to Menaka,

wife of

> Himavanta and mother of Parvati! So she refuses to accept Lord

Shiva as her

> son-in-law finding many faults in his behaviour. She points out

that the

> scar on his neck looks quite ugly.

>

> Pushpadanta in his hymn says "vikArOpi slAghyO bhuvana bhaya baMga

> vyasaninaH".... Even the ugly spots are praiseworthy in such a

noblesoul

> (Lord Shiva) who is addicted to remove the problems of the Universe!

He

> says though for the common man it looks ugly, but for the one who

can

> understand, the scar convey Lord Shiva's greatness... Otherwise who

will

> drink Poison? That too knowing that it may create problems. Lord

Shiva

> took it, took the probelm on himself, so that the world will no

longer be

> bothered. That is how we should see the world!

>

> By the way, Sri Ramakrishna is an illiterate may be for common

people. And

> it may be true, but we require, we have to have Pushpadanta's vision

to

> understand Sage Ramakrishna --- vikArOpi slYghyO bhuvana bhayabhaMga

> vyasaninaH...

>

> Yours,

> Madhava

>

>

>

>

>

> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> > Von: R. Viswanathan [drvis@h...]

> > intellectually arrogant and abusive in language, even when

> > refering to great

> > Saints and Gyanies -- other wise Ramakrishna would not be

> > described as "the

> > illiterate Bengali Priest,who went into Nirvikalpa Samadhi ".

> > Where are the

> > Moderators to moderate such a language? Vedantic knowledge is

> > not a license

> > for such a language.

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Hi!

Discussions are rarely useless. Debates are rarely useful. They have

different purposes.

If Silence ends in itself, as you say, "there will be no Shankara commentary

and nor Advaita web site".

However, that is not the case. Silence is just the beginning. In Silence

there is the Self, the Brahman (non-describable) and the rest. Without this

Silence the Scriptures (in Sanskrit or otherwise) are just text books and

nothing more. It is after this Silence the Teachings of Truth come,

automatically.

Before this Silence comes all the chattering, often times scattered and

mis-guided. Some of us are neither here nor there -- neither in the

chattering nor in the Silence state.. So the Advaitin group is quite

valuable and Shankara's commentary as well.

-- Vis

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"atmachaitanya108" <stadri

<advaitin>

Monday, January 14, 2002 7:09 AM

Re: Vedanta Shastra Pramana --

 

> Thus these discussions are niether useless, nor are they merely for

> the sake of 'ego gratification'. If we were all to just remain silent

> there would be no Shankara commentaries, nor the Advaita web site.

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