Conclusion (?)

[Guest guest]

Do you accept the existence of physical objects, which common sense says

(mistakenly) exist unpercieved, beyond and apart from the observer? If you do,

then it is very understandable that you do not accept non-dualism. If you do

not accept the existence of physical objects, then perhaps the thinking behind

that could be used as an analogical approach to nonduality. External objects

stand in the same relation to the mind as any object stands in relation to

consciousness.

 

Perhaps you have read them, but two good books that punch holes in the external

physical object idea are:

 

ON HAVING NO HEAD, by Douglas Harding

and

THREE DIALOGUES BETWEEN HYLAS AND PHILONOUS, by George Berkeley

 

--Greg

 

At 09:53 PM 1/26/02 +0000, orbitsville wrote:

>I have been investigating Buddhism, Hinduism, Zen,

>New Age, No Head, etc., theology for some years now.

>

>What it comes down to is this:

>

>Do I accept non-dualism?

>

>The answer is no. At least, not in the way I have

>gathered from my readings.

>

>Non-dualism: Only one (not-one) being (not-being).

>

>This entity (non-entity) is responsible for all that

>occurs (though nothing occurs).

>

>Bollocks.

>

>(This is my opinion after studying many works for

>many years).

>

>Thanks.

>

>orbitsville

[Guest guest]

I first read 'On Having No Head' in about 1997.

I was absolutely entranced by it. It reopened a door for me,

and restored 'magic' to the world (in the sense of childlike wonder).

 

Afterwards, I continued to study the usual texts, including

mysticism, (eastern and western) and philosophy (including an

introduction to Berkeley), Taoism, Buddhism, Zen etc, etc.

 

The trouble is that after all this reading (and thinking

and ruminating), things just did not seem to fall into place.

I had two great moments in this time, one in which my whole

world was deconstructed, and I had no place to stand, and

another in which I felt God Himself to give me a Hug.

 

Powerful events.

 

I am a much calmer person now, much more peaceful. And my head

is so quiet - I remember when thoughts used to rage through

my mind - but no longer (thank God).

 

However, I cannot but help feel that Advaita/No Head is basically

stating that everything that happens is the will of God (or Tao

or Universal Mind or whatever). My survival instinct prevents

me from believing this, because, if this is true, there is no

point in being here in this wretched place, and I might as well

end it now.

 

===========

orbitsville

 

advaitin, "Madhava K. Turumella" <madhava@f...> wrote:

> :-) FINE! So what do you want *us* to do! Looks like you have

arrived to a

> conclusion. Now the best thing is to start again and reach till

you come to

> perhaps another conclusion!.... And again you start where you have

started

> when your intellect suggests you that "YOU KNOW"... Remember: What

you know

> is not really what you wanted to know --- then you continue, till

you know

> that you can not know.... :-)

>

> All tbe best myfriend... have fun in this infinite world....

>

> Yours,

> Madhava

>

>

> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> > Von: orbitsville [orbitsville]

> > Do I accept non-dualism?

> >

> > The answer is no. At least, not in the way I have

> > gathered from my readings.

> > Thanks.

> >

> > orbitsville

> > -------------

[Guest guest]

Hari Om !!

 

You are right .. Every thing happens by the will of God, and YOU ARE

THAT GOD. That is what Advaita states.

 

Om Namo Narayanaya !!

 

Srikrishna

>

> However, I cannot but help feel that Advaita/No Head is basically

> stating that everything that happens is the will of God (or Tao

> or Universal Mind or whatever). My survival instinct prevents

> me from believing this, because, if this is true, there is no

> point in being here in this wretched place, and I might as well

> end it now.

>

> ===========

> orbitsville

[Guest guest]

Namaste!

 

You find this place wretched. So, you do have a

problem. And that is sufficient impetus too to look

around for a solution. An advaitin accepts this place

without reservations and sees only Cosciousness

(Himself) in everything experienced. He is happy in

whatever situation he is, for he knows that he himself

is happiness. Therefore, advaita certainly has the key

to your problem. I am sure you can easily find it

without the help of all that you have so far read and

assimilated.

 

Best wishes for the success of your quest and best

regards.

 

M.R. NAIR

 

--- orbitsville <orbitsville wrote:

> > However, I cannot but help feel that Advaita/No

Head

> is basically

> stating that everything that happens is the will of

> God (or Tao

> or Universal Mind or whatever). My survival

> instinct prevents

> me from believing this, because, if this is true,

> there is no

> point in being here in this wretched place, and I

> might as well

> end it now.

>

> ===========

> orbitsville

>

> advaitin, "Madhava K. Turumella"

> <madhava@f...> wrote:

> > :-) FINE! So what do you want *us* to do! Looks

> like you have

> arrived to a

> > conclusion. Now the best thing is to start again

> and reach till

> you come to

> > perhaps another conclusion!.... And again you

> start where you have

> started

> > when your intellect suggests you that "YOU

> KNOW"... Remember: What

> you know

> > is not really what you wanted to know --- then

> you continue, till

> you know

> > that you can not know.... :-)

> >

> > All tbe best myfriend... have fun in this infinite

> world....

> >

> > Yours,

> > Madhava

> >

> >

> > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----

> > > Von: orbitsville [orbitsville]

> > > Do I accept non-dualism?

> > >

> > > The answer is no. At least, not in the way I

> have

> > > gathered from my readings.

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > orbitsville

> > > -------------

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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