Grace of God (was Tat tvam asi?)

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Namaste,

I am replying to the earlier discussion on Tat tvam

asi and later its discussion in advaita list on grace

>On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, nanda chandran wrote:

>

>> >If that is so then why does Shankara still assert

that in the ultimate

>> >moment liberation is only possible due to divine

grace?

>> >---------

>> >

>> >Can you give the reference for this quote?

>>

>> Ravi, I wanted to write to you earlier with the

exact references, but have

>> been travelling and hence do not have references

at hand. But this I can

>> tell you : there are two such references that the

removal of avidhya is

>> effected only by divine grace. One is in

Shankara's commentary on the Brahma

>> Sutras and the other is in his commentary on the

Katha Upanishad.

>>

> > Maybe others can help here?

> >

Sri Sadanandaji wrote,

 

This maya of mine is of divine origin. only by

surrendering to me

one will be able to cross this maaya - says Krishna.

 

Also - any knowledge is not purusha tantra that is it

does not depend

on the human being. That means knowledge cannot be

willed. One can

make an effort to gain the knowlege but the knowledge

which is not a

product of a effort. knowledge is considered as vastu

tantra. Like

hearing - what I hear does not depend on me but on

the source of the

noise. Same way. Knowledge has to down on one who

mind is prepared.

This includes self-knowledge. It is graceful way of

saying that it

is divine grace that one can gain the knowledge.

Shankra wrote in Vivekachuudamani : manushyatvam,

mumukshatavam and

mahaapurusha samsrayam - thjese is due to the diving

grace only. -

durlabham trayamevaitat daivanugrahamevacha|

manushyatvam

mumukshatvam mahapurusha samprayaH|

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Recently i heard an example on grace,

If you want to have the warmth of fire, you have to go

near it, the grace in the form of heat in fire is

always there, Sameway the grace in the form of

shastra, guru and myself being brahman is always

there, only i need the grace to approach them and not

that divine grace is the direct means for ultimate

liberation.

 

Also as grace means someone's will is involved and as

Sri Sadanadji pointed out any knowledge is not purusha

tantra that is it does not depend on the human being.

That means knowledge cannot be willed.

 

Viraj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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