Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Q: Father Sudac, you said at the beginning of the interview that this has given you (tremendous) fear of the Lord. I still feel it very much. God is something which surpasses any and all thoughts about Him. He surpasses our feelings, and even the state of our souls. It is impossible to speak about Him. The only way to communicate with God is to love God. We have to sink into God so that I no longer exist but God does. When I do this I don't lose myself, but find myself in God. This can be understood only by those people who love God with all their heart, all their soul, and all their strength. If anyone sins, the only cause for all sins is the lack of love towards God and the lack of love for mankind and ourselves, that is the cause of all evils. If this wounded humanity would discover the formula of love, unconditional love, this life would be heaven on earth. Extract from http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/frsudac.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Brian Milnes <b.milnes >Q: Father Sudac, you said at the beginning of the interview that >this has given you (tremendous) fear of the Lord. > >I still feel it very much. God is something which surpasses any and >all thoughts about Him. He surpasses our feelings, and even the >state of our souls. It is impossible to speak about Him. The only >way to communicate with God is to love God. We have to sink into God >so that I no longer exist but God does. When I do this I don't lose >myself, but find myself in God. This can be understood only by those >people who love God with all their heart, all their soul, and all >their strength. If anyone sins, the only cause for all sins is the >lack of love towards God and the lack of love for mankind and >ourselves, that is the cause of all evils. If this wounded humanity >would discover the formula of love, unconditional love, this life >would be heaven on earth. > >Extract from ><http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/frsudac.html>http://www.stjeromecroatian.o\ rg/eng/frsudac.html > Brian - with all due respects - I have to emphasize that The love for God cannot be absolute love - absolute love is that love where - there is no becuase - Why should I love God? I love God because of what? what far I should Love God? On the other hand I love myself and there is no becuase - love for oneself is unconditional uninterrupted love. - Hence Vidyaaranya says in panchadasi - ayam aatmaa paraanandaH parapremaaspadam yataH| - I am of the nature of supreme happiness and hence my love for myself is absolute and supreme. As long as there are two - me and God - (and God is there because there is world out there that is not by my creation etc )- There is a fear not love - even Arjuna is afraid of Krishna when he sees Krishna as Viraat purusha different from Arjuna. - udaram antaram kurute atatasya bhayam bhavati says Tai. Up - along as there is a speck of difference there is dvaita not adviata and there is fear and not love. Love manefests only in the unity not in diversity. Even the Ku klax Kkan members love each other since they see unity among themselves that separate them from others. Sin is the reflection of the division - that which takes oneself away from oneself is sin and that which brings oneself to oneself is love. In the ultimate analysis there is no place for God and I - either I or God. One has to dissolve at the alter of the other - That is adviata. Then only true love manifests. Love out of fear is not love but sin only. with love Sadananda -- K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Dear Sananda I think we have to make accommodation for the fact that f. Sudac is addressing a primarily Christian audience and is from the Christian tradition, with its concept of original sin. The "fear" he describes seems to be about the enormity of unconditional love and "surrender to the Lord" (ishvara pranhidhanat). When he says, "God is something which surpasses any and all thoughts about Him. He surpasses our feelings, and even the state of our souls. It is impossible to speak about Him." does that not strike a chord with your Advaitic perspective? Also, Christians rarely have an understanding of the Self and the relationship between God the Father (Brahman) God the Son (Atman) and God the Holy Spirit (Purushottama), Amen (AUM). "I AM [the realised Self is] the way, the truth, the life. No man cometh to my Father but by me. [to Brahman but through Atman]" "I came forth from the Father; and am come into the world, again, I leave the world, and go to the Father." Regards Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Brian Milnes <b.milnes >Dear Sananda > >I think we have to make accommodation for the fact that f. Sudac is >addressing a primarily Christian audience and is from the Christian >tradition, with its concept of original sin. The "fear" he describes >seems to be about the enormity of unconditional love and "surrender >to the Lord" (ishvara pranhidhanat). > > >Brian Brian - Yes you are absolutely right. The statements need to be understood from the reference. I was looking from the "advaitin readers point rather than from a particular 'tradition' - since the audience are adviatins rather than from a Christian tradition. As long as we understand the reference to whom it is addressed there is no problem. Hari OM Sadananda -- K. Sadananda Code 6323 Naval Research Laboratory Washington D.C. 20375 Voice (202)767-2117 Fax:(202)767-2623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 --- Brian Milnes <b.milnes wrote: Dear Brian, > Also, Christians rarely have an understanding of the > Self Rarely does not mean never. There are many examples and I am sure members of this site will appreciate the words of St Thomas Aquinas who was quizzed by his secretary as to why he had not dictated any words for two weeks. Aquinas said, "When one has met the Absolute, what is there to be written?" >and the relationship between God the Father > (Brahman) God the Son (Atman) and God the Holy > Spirit (Purushottama), Amen (AUM). Is it wise to seek parallel words between traditions? Words imply contexts and I am not sure that they would be congruent...sorry to use maths terms but I cannot think of another way of saying it. We need to consider nirguna, saguna brahman and could we really begin a prayer with 'amen' as well as end it as we may with 'Om'? Again using Maths: A triangle has dimensions and must exist in space..a transcendent backcloth.... therefore so must the Trinity exist in a fourth condition; Father, Son and Spirit seem to me to be attributes that are inseparable apsects of a unity that transcends their relationship, similarly satchiddananda is an inseparable trinity in Brahman. I am sympathetic to your essential intention and we would have no trouble finding many references ..... Eckhart's words on love would be valuable study. However, once upon a time I was given Christian words to match Sanskrit and I came to prefer to keep the languages and contexts separate while acknowledging the understanding that behind the forms was a common substratum, Om sri ram Ken Knight Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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