Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hari Om !! I was reading a book titled, 'May I answer that ?', which has questions of devotees and answers of Swami Sivananda. I wanted to write two of them which meet our previous discussion. 1. (Page 74) What is the difference between Jivatman and Paramatman ? Jivatman is the individual soul, a reflection of Brahman in Avidya or the mind. Paramatman is the Supreme Soul, Brahman or the Atman. From the emperical viewpoint, the Jivatman is a finite and conditioned being, while the Paramatman is the infinite, eternal, Sat-chit-ananda Brahman. In essence, the Jivatman is identical with Paramatman when Avidya is destroyed. 2. The Atman is different from the body and is not affected by the latter's doings. The body is reborn a number of times and accoding to its Karma and goes through life and death as per the Supreme Will. If this is so, then who goes to hell or heaven ? The real experiencer of anything, in an individualistic way, is neither the Self nor the physical body. It is the mind that is the center of individuality, that individualizes and imprisons a ray of the Atman in what is called the individual soul. And it is this mind, as embodied in the subtle body, that undergoes the pleasure of heaven or the pains of hell, or for that matter, any experience through a gross or a subtle body. The mind appears to have consciousness on account of there being a ray of the Atman in it, in the form of a reflection, very much limited by its own constitution. Hence it will be clear that the individuality of a person is as much real or unreal as a reflection of a real object. Though every thing happens according to the Supreme Will, the Karma of the individual determines the form or shape of the experience that is to be had under the dispensation of this will. It is not the Atman or the body that has any type of relative experience, though the body is a gross means of experience; it is the mind that has all this. ---------- Also the following sentences from 'Vedanta for Beginners' are relevant. (Page 105) Example of the reflection of a face in a mirror The reflection of a face in a mirror is different from the face; the reflection imitates the mirror in as much as it possesses the property of being in the mirror and the quality of the mirror. The reflection depends on the mirror for its existance. But, the real face does not. So, the real face is different from the reflection. Similarly, the reflection of the Self in the ego is different from the Pure Self. In the case of the face, the face is real but not its reflection in the mirror. The reflection is not always there. But at the same time, the reflection is not totally unreal since it is seen at times. Hence, the reflection is indescribable and the face is different from it. In the case of Pure Self and its reflection, in fact however, both of them are devoid of any real distinction. In the case of the face and the mirror, the mirror has an existance independent of the face. But, in the case of the Pure Self, the intellect which is the reflecting medium is not having an independence existance all by itself, apart from the existance of the Pure Self. Therefore, the distinction between the Pure self and Its reflection is only apparent and not real. Owing to a non-discrimination due to ignorance between the Pure Self and Its reflection, the Self is regarded as an individual suffering transmigratory existance. It may be said that the reflection of the Self in the ego, as distinct from the Pure Self, is the individual soul experiencing and acting in this universe, on the authority that the individual soul is a real entity having its own properties like the shadow of a tree having the property of refreshing any one coming under it on a hot midday. That can not be so. The refreshing property can not be attributed to the shadow, for it is the effect of refraining from the warm things, say, the hot sun. Further, because of that, it cannot be said that the refreshing property that is seen in the shadow is an ample proof for accepting the reality of the shadow. One is not refreshed by sitting close to a burning hearth under its shadow. I would accept that most of the Advaitin List members would know these concepts, but as a novice I thought they were logically explained and found them useful, so venture to post these quotes. Om Namo Narayanaya !! Srikrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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