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Dear All,

 

I have some question and understanding , please give your comments so then i

have more better understanding.

 

1. Brahman all-pervading everything. Brahman also pervades every most

smallest particles in universe, also in most smallest particles of our body.

Brahman also exist in the dead body. Brahman act only as a witness.Almost

every scripture and every Spiritual Master said that Brahman reside in our

(spiritual) heart .

My question : What is the difference between all-pervading Brahman,also

pervades every cell of our body and Brahman resides in our heart?

 

2. Does ignorance cover the mind or cover the Atman? My concience said that

ignorance cover the mind not the atman, but some masters said ignorance or

dirts cover the atman.

 

3. Divine being or Divine Master or liberated being who's taken human body

and teach the truth almost have a different path or teaching. There are

difference between the teaching of Budha, Krishna, Anandamurti, Dadaji,

Sathya Sai Baba etc. In my opinion liberation does not mean the vanish of

mind. Liberated being still have their own characteristic mind but in

totally surrender to God Will (without ego).

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

 

Love

 

Herry Ermawam

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Hari Om !!

 

I refer you to a recently started series on "Advaita: Some basic

explanations" at Advaita-L List by Sri H B Dave. The link is given

below.

 

http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l.html

 

This Advaitin forum is a real strange place:

 

Some people are real serious to prove that 'others' are not 'serious

seekers' for 'others' have different approach to their Sadhana.

These 'some people' believe that their own way is 'the exclusive way'

to the all-accomodating Reality.

 

Here, some people write long articles to express their views as

logically as Sri Sankara did, but others call it mere erudition;

rather these 'some people' call it an approach away from the 'Truth',

as if they saw it (getting confuesed that 'Truth' is what they

conceptualised in their arrogant mind).

 

They are content with their mental concepts of 'Who am I' that they

ignore the 'essential' prerequisites for success in that path. They

bunch everyone together like a marxist or communist bunch, and

prescribe 'Who Am I' enquiry and demand that people should

enquire 'Who Am I ?', for their own erudition fails to define the

problem unambigulosly. They blame lack of access to 'scriptural

books'. Be careful they may threaten you, that they will leave the

group if you do not follow 'Who Am I ?' mantra.

 

I remember one saying in my native tongue, "One brainee refused to

wash him bottom because he was angry with the creek". Glory be to his

intelligence.

 

Some are here to pass 'judgment' on others comments/posts rather than

help a way-sider help if need be, for only passing 'judgment' will

demonstrate their 'advanced stage of seeking'

 

There are gems too which I can pick, but you need to be a sharp guy

to pick the useful tips from the tens of useless counter arguments

going on.

 

Or just get ready to threaten again that you will leave if they

continue on your post thread on matters which are not connected to

your spiritual concerns. Or just become another passive seeker and

look for answers some where else.

 

Anyway, break a coconut, and offer coconut payasam to Lord Ganesha if

you get genuine answers to your questions.

 

Om Namo Narayanaya !!

 

Srikrishna

 

advaitin, "Herry Ermawan" <herry_ermawan@h...> wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> I have some question and understanding , please give your comments

so then i

> have more better understanding.

>

> 1. Brahman all-pervading everything. Brahman also pervades every

most

> smallest particles in universe, also in most smallest particles of

our body.

> Brahman also exist in the dead body. Brahman act only as a

witness.Almost

> every scripture and every Spiritual Master said that Brahman reside

in our

> (spiritual) heart .

> My question : What is the difference between all-pervading

Brahman,also

> pervades every cell of our body and Brahman resides in our heart?

>

> 2. Does ignorance cover the mind or cover the Atman? My concience

said that

> ignorance cover the mind not the atman, but some masters said

ignorance or

> dirts cover the atman.

>

> 3. Divine being or Divine Master or liberated being who's taken

human body

> and teach the truth almost have a different path or teaching.

There are

> difference between the teaching of Budha, Krishna, Anandamurti,

Dadaji,

> Sathya Sai Baba etc. In my opinion liberation does not mean the

vanish of

> mind. Liberated being still have their own characteristic mind but

in

> totally surrender to God Will (without ego).

>

> Thank you for your comments.

>

>

> Love

>

> Herry Ermawam

[Guest guest]

Where are the Moderators and what are they doing? Does answering

Shri Herry Ermawam call for all this?

 

Madathil Nair

____________________

 

 

advaitin, "srikrishna_ghadiyaram"

<srikrishna_ghadiyaram> wrote:

> Hari Om !!

>

> I refer you to a recently started series on "Advaita: Some basic

> explanations" at Advaita-L List by Sri H B Dave. The link is given

> below.

>

> http://lists.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l.html

>

> This Advaitin forum is a real strange place:

>

> Some people are real serious to prove that 'others' are

not 'serious

> seekers' for 'others' have different approach to their Sadhana.

> These 'some people' believe that their own way is 'the exclusive

way'

> to the all-accomodating Reality.

>

> Here, some people write long articles to express their views as

> logically as Sri Sankara did, but others call it mere erudition;

> rather these 'some people' call it an approach away from

the 'Truth',

> as if they saw it (getting confuesed that 'Truth' is what they

> conceptualised in their arrogant mind).

>

> They are content with their mental concepts of 'Who am I' that they

> ignore the 'essential' prerequisites for success in that path. They

> bunch everyone together like a marxist or communist bunch, and

> prescribe 'Who Am I' enquiry and demand that people should

> enquire 'Who Am I ?', for their own erudition fails to define the

> problem unambigulosly. They blame lack of access to 'scriptural

> books'. Be careful they may threaten you, that they will leave the

> group if you do not follow 'Who Am I ?' mantra.

>

> I remember one saying in my native tongue, "One brainee refused to

> wash him bottom because he was angry with the creek". Glory be to

his

> intelligence.

>

> Some are here to pass 'judgment' on others comments/posts rather

than

> help a way-sider help if need be, for only passing 'judgment' will

> demonstrate their 'advanced stage of seeking'

>

> There are gems too which I can pick, but you need to be a sharp guy

> to pick the useful tips from the tens of useless counter arguments

> going on.

>

> Or just get ready to threaten again that you will leave if they

> continue on your post thread on matters which are not connected to

> your spiritual concerns. Or just become another passive seeker and

> look for answers some where else.

>

> Anyway, break a coconut, and offer coconut payasam to Lord Ganesha

if

> you get genuine answers to your questions.

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya !!

>

> Srikrishna

>

> advaitin, "Herry Ermawan" <herry_ermawan@h...> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I have some question and understanding , please give your

comments

> so then i

> > have more better understanding.

> >

> > 1. Brahman all-pervading everything. Brahman also pervades every

> most

> > smallest particles in universe, also in most smallest particles

of

> our body.

> > Brahman also exist in the dead body. Brahman act only as a

> witness.Almost

> > every scripture and every Spiritual Master said that Brahman

reside

> in our

> > (spiritual) heart .

> > My question : What is the difference between all-pervading

> Brahman,also

> > pervades every cell of our body and Brahman resides in our heart?

> >

> > 2. Does ignorance cover the mind or cover the Atman? My concience

> said that

> > ignorance cover the mind not the atman, but some masters said

> ignorance or

> > dirts cover the atman.

> >

> > 3. Divine being or Divine Master or liberated being who's taken

> human body

> > and teach the truth almost have a different path or teaching.

> There are

> > difference between the teaching of Budha, Krishna, Anandamurti,

> Dadaji,

> > Sathya Sai Baba etc. In my opinion liberation does not mean the

> vanish of

> > mind. Liberated being still have their own characteristic mind

but

> in

> > totally surrender to God Will (without ego).

> >

> > Thank you for your comments.

> >

> >

> > Love

> >

> > Herry Ermawam

[Guest guest]

Hello Herry !

>From the limited amount of knowledge that i have gathered, this is

what i have to say:

 

1. imho, there is no difference between the two.

 

2. For a suitable response, please let me quote Sri Chandrasekharendra

Saraswathi MahaSwamiji of Kanchipuram:

"Though the Atma is but a spark of the Paramatma, it is wrapped up in

ignorance or Ajnaana, on account of the operation of emotions like

raaga(desire), krodha(anger), and bhaya(fear) and is not, therefore,

able to know itself. Man is born subject to the play of these

emotions..." at http://www.kamakoti.org/acall/ac-way.html (end of 4th

para)

 

Also have a look at

http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part13/chap2.htm . In many paras,

the relation between the mind and the Atman are described. He says

that Nyaya (the science of Reasoning), the Atman is a dravya or

substance,knowledge(jnana) being its quality. ...And the place where

Knowledge dwells, is in the mind.

 

3. Liberation and Absolute Surrender, imho, as per the teachings of

Vedanta, are two separate issues. Liberation equals getting liberated

from the eternal cycle of birth and death, and rebirth. To attain

liberation, absolute surrender may also be required.

 

In the Gita, about Surrender: (see

http://www.kamakoti.org/acall/ac-way.html )

Sarva dharmaan parityajya maamekam saranam vraja;

Aham tvaa sarvapaapebhyo mokshayishyaami maa suchah.

 

"I will free you from all sins (Sarvapaapebhyo mokshayishyaami), if

you give up all other Dharma (Sarva Dharmaan parityajya), and

surrender to Me absolutely (Maamekam Saranam Vraja)".

 

 

Regards

 

 

Venkatesh

 

-------------------

> Dear All,

>

> I have some question and understanding , please give your comments

so then i

> have more better understanding.

>

> 1. Brahman all-pervading everything. Brahman also pervades every

most

> smallest particles in universe, also in most smallest particles of

our body.

> Brahman also exist in the dead body. Brahman act only as a

witness.Almost

> every scripture and every Spiritual Master said that Brahman reside

in our

> (spiritual) heart .

> My question : What is the difference between all-pervading

Brahman,also

> pervades every cell of our body and Brahman resides in our heart?

>

> 2. Does ignorance cover the mind or cover the Atman? My concience

said that

> ignorance cover the mind not the atman, but some masters said

ignorance or

> dirts cover the atman.

>

> 3. Divine being or Divine Master or liberated being who's taken

human body

> and teach the truth almost have a different path or teaching. There

are

> difference between the teaching of Budha, Krishna, Anandamurti,

Dadaji,

> Sathya Sai Baba etc. In my opinion liberation does not mean the

vanish of

> mind. Liberated being still have their own characteristic mind but

in

> totally surrender to God Will (without ego).

>

> Thank you for your comments.

>

>

> Love

>

> Herry Ermawam

 

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Hari Om !!

 

advaitin, "Herry Ermawan" <herry_ermawan@h...> wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> I have some question and understanding , please give your comments

so then i

> have more better understanding.

>

 

I have been struggling for some time, to get answers to similar

questions. After reading from several sources, I got some

clarifications, and I posted this a few days ago for the benefit of

people like me (novices). Here, I am copying it again, for your ready

reference.

> 1. Brahman all-pervading everything. Brahman also pervades every

most

> smallest particles in universe, also in most smallest particles of

our body.

> Brahman also exist in the dead body. Brahman act only as a

witness.Almost

> every scripture and every Spiritual Master said that Brahman reside

in our

> (spiritual) heart .

> My question : What is the difference between all-pervading

Brahman,also

> pervades every cell of our body and Brahman resides in our heart?

>

Hari Om !!

 

I was reading a book titled, 'May I answer that ?', which has

questions

of

devotees and answers of Swami Sivananda. I wanted to write two of them

which meet our previous discussion.

 

1. (Page 74) What is the difference between Jivatman and Paramatman ?

 

Jivatman is the individual soul, a reflection of Brahman in Avidya or

the

mind. Paramatman is the Supreme Soul, Brahman or the Atman. From the

emperical viewpoint, the Jivatman is a finite and conditioned being,

while

the Paramatman is the infinite, eternal, Sat-chit-ananda Brahman. In

essence, the Jivatman is identical with Paramatman when Avidya is

destroyed.

 

2. The Atman is different from the body and is not affected by the

latter's

doings. The body is reborn a number of times and accoding to its

Karma

and

goes through life and death as per the Supreme Will. If this is so,

then

who goes to hell or heaven ?

 

The real experiencer of anything, in an individualistic way, is

neither

the

Self nor the physical body. It is the mind that is the center of

individuality, that individualizes and imprisons a ray of the Atman

in

what

is called the individual soul. And it is this mind, as embodied in the

subtle body, that undergoes the pleasure of heaven or the pains of

hell, or

for that matter, any experience through a gross or a subtle body.

 

The mind appears to have consciousness on account of there being a

ray

of

the Atman in it, in the form of a reflection, very much limited by

its

own

constitution. Hence it will be clear that the individuality of a

person

is

as much real or unreal as a reflection of a real object.

 

Though every thing happens according to the Supreme Will, the Karma

of

the

individual determines the form or shape of the experience that is to

be

had

under the dispensation of this will. It is not the Atman or the body

that

has any type of relative experience, though the body is a gross means

of

experience; it is the mind that has all this.

 

----------

Also the following sentences from 'Vedanta for Beginners' are

relevant.

 

(Page 105)

 

Example of the reflection of a face in a mirror

 

The reflection of a face in a mirror is different from the face; the

reflection imitates the mirror in as much as it possesses the

property

of

being in the mirror and the quality of the mirror. The reflection

depends

on the mirror for its existance. But, the real face does not. So, the

real

face is different from the reflection. Similarly, the reflection of

the

Self in the ego is different from the Pure Self.

 

In the case of the face, the face is real but not its reflection in

the

mirror. The reflection is not always there. But at the same time, the

reflection is not totally unreal since it is seen at times. Hence, the

reflection is indescribable and the face is different from it. In the

case

of Pure Self and its reflection, in fact however, both of them are

devoid

of any real distinction. In the case of the face and the mirror, the

mirror

has an existance independent of the face. But, in the case of the Pure

Self, the intellect which is the reflecting medium is not having an

independence existance all by itself, apart from the existance of the

Pure

Self. Therefore, the distinction between the Pure self and Its

reflection

is only apparent and not real. Owing to a non-discrimination due to

ignorance between the Pure Self and Its reflection, the Self is

regarded as

an individual suffering transmigratory existance.

 

It may be said that the reflection of the Self in the ego, as distinct

from the Pure Self, is the individual soul experiencing and acting

in

this

universe, on the authority that the individual soul is a real entity

having

its own properties like the shadow of a tree having the property of

refreshing any one coming under it on a hot midday. That can not be

so.

The

refreshing property can not be attributed to the shadow, for it is the

effect of refraining from the warm things, say, the hot sun. Further,

because of that, it cannot be said that the refreshing property that

is

seen in the shadow is an ample proof for accepting the reality of the

shadow. One is not refreshed by sitting close to a burning hearth

under

its

shadow.

 

Hope these quotes throw more light on the topic of our discussion.

 

Om Namo Narayanaya !!

 

Srikrishna

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advaitin, "srikrishna_ghadiyaram"

<srikrishna_ghadiyaram> wrote:

> Hari Om !!

>

> This Advaitin forum is a real strange place:

>

> Some people are real serious to prove that 'others' are not 'serious

> seekers' for 'others' have different approach to their Sadhana.

> These 'some people' believe that their own way is 'the exclusive

way'

[Guest guest]

Dear Herry Ermawam

 

Here is my understanding:

>Dear All,

>

>I have some question and understanding , please give your comments so then i

>have more better understanding.

>

>1. Brahman all-pervading everything. Brahman also pervades every most

>smallest particles in universe, also in most smallest particles of our body.

>Brahman also exist in the dead body. Brahman act only as a witness.Almost

>every scripture and every Spiritual Master said that Brahman reside in our

>(spiritual) heart .

>My question : What is the difference between all-pervading Brahman,also

>pervades every cell of our body and Brahman resides in our heart?

 

Brahma is all pervading - existence-consciousness- bliss. Being

infiniteness there is no place where he/it is not there - simple

example is like a space - if you pose the question - what is the

difference between the all-pervading space and the space that

occupied by every cell in our body or the space occupied by the

heart. From the space point there is no difference - it is

indivisible - similarly Brahman - In fact Shankara uses this example

- yatha aaksosho hR^ishiikesho naanopaadhi ... . Is there a

difference between the kitchen space and bath room space - Space

being indivisible even the divisions that demark the bath room and

kitchen are in the space only. Yet from the point of kitchen and

bath room - the difference comes from the upaadhi-s or walls and

identification that one is bath room and the other kitchen. What we

do in the kitchen is different from what we do in the bathroom.

Hence differences are only superimposed due to limitations of the

equipments but there is no difference from the space point. Space is

immaculately pure and all pervading. Brahman pervades the space too.

Hence it is even subtler or more pervasive than space.

>2. Does ignorance cover the mind or cover the Atman? My concience said that

>ignorance cover the mind not the atman, but some masters said ignorance or

>dirts cover the atman.

 

Atma as understood above as Brahman cannot be covered by anything.

See my recent post and discussion that is going on adhyaasa - to

answer some of these questions. Ignorance, I feel is not positive to

cover - so it is 'as though covered' - only a figurative sense. When

the mind does not know the truth, it projects something different

from the truth - like I see a snake due to my ignorance of the rope.

Does ignorance covered the rope? But yet ignorance of the rope is the

cause for the projection of the snake at the place where rope is.

What is the role of ignorance here? - It is exactly the same way.

Atma is all pervading. Not knowing the complete true nature of aatma

- the projection of the plurality by the mind and intellect occurs

and the projected plurality is taken as reality since the substratum

Brahma or aatma is not recognized - by whom? by the one is seeing and

feeling that plurality is real.

>

>3. Divine being or Divine Master or liberated being who's taken human body

>and teach the truth almost have a different path or teaching. There are

>difference between the teaching of Budha, Krishna, Anandamurti, Dadaji,

>Sathya Sai Baba etc. In my opinion liberation does not mean the vanish of

>mind. Liberated being still have their own characteristic mind but in

>totally surrender to God Will (without ego).

 

I have several physics teachers - All have learned the quantum

mechanics and teaching that courses on Physics starting from 101 to

401 course all dealing with quantum mechanics to different levels of

the students. Each teacher teaches the same subject differently and

the same teacher also teaches differently for different level of

students. But should we conclude that they are not consistent or

subjects are different. Truth is the same or has to be the same but

teaching depends on the teacher and the students.

 

You are absolutely right - liberation does not mean the vanishing of

the mind - what vanishes is the notional mind or mind that is

mistaken. What is gained is clear understanding that one is not the

mind - one is consciousness that pervades the mind too. - Ego is the

notion that I am so and so - identification with body, mind or

intellect - that is the notional mind - a mind that has notions that

I am this or that - but this and that is object and I am the subject

and I cannot be the object - hence neti or neti - not this not this

etc is the sadhana. Liberation is realizing that I am that aatma

that pervades all including the body, mind and intellect. Notions

that I am only this and this drops out. - Hence ego get dissolved

at the alter of the aatma.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Hari OM1

Sadananda

 

 

 

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>

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>

>Herry Ermawam

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advaitin, "madathilnair" <madathilnair> wrote:

> Where are the Moderators and what are they doing? Does answering

> Shri Herry Ermawam call for all this?

>

> Madathil Nair

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Dear all,

Thank you for those who gave me comments to my questions and understanding.

I understand that Brahman is the only Truth.Truth is outside the reach of

the mind. No one can reveal Truth except Truth itself. Nevertheless we must

enhance our conciense step by step.

> 1.My question : What is the difference between all-pervading Brahman,also

> pervades every cell of our body and Brahman resides in our heart?

 

I agree with Bro Venkatesh and Sadananda that there is only one Brahman. No

difference between all pervading Brahman and Brahman resides in our

heart.But still i have question , why almost every scripture and every

Spiritual Master said that Brahman resides in our (spiritual) heart ? If we

relate with the space, we all know that our body have three fold layer (

sthula,sukhsma and karuna deha), why they did'nt said that Brahman fill in

all of our body layer? Have you heard about anecdote that Krishna didn't

help Draupadi soon when she was humiliated by Kaurawa because Draupadi

called Krishna as Krishna who lived at Dwaraka? I belive that there must

be something very interesting with the Brahman who resides in our heart. I

hope someone can give me comments about Brahman who resides in our heart.

> 2. Does ignorance cover the mind or cover the Atman? My concience said

that

> ignorance cover the mind not the atman, but some masters said ignorance or

> dirts cover the atman.

 

Yes, i agree with the answer of Bro. Sadananda.Thanks

 

 

Love

 

Herry Ermawan

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Hari Om !!

 

I am glad you got answers to your questions.

 

advaitin, "Herry Ermawan" <herry_ermawan@h...> wrote:

>No one can reveal Truth except Truth itself. Nevertheless we must

> enhance our conciense step by step.

>

 

As you are content, I will not disturb further. But, the truth is 'no

one' travels. Possibly the right way of saying is Purifying the mind

which is causing Vikshepa (projection of the un-real). Let the mind

be still and realise that you are that Reality.

>But still i have question , why almost every scripture and every

> Spiritual Master said that Brahman resides in our (spiritual)

heart ? If we

> relate with the space,

 

To the best of my understanding no one said 'spiritual heart' except

Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. Ofcourse he referred to 'Sita Upanishad'

and some other Malayalam text. As per Bhagavan the spiritual heart is

on the right side. He also said the advantages of concentrating on

such right side spiritual heart. I personally have a problem when I

listen to others referring to the regular heart cave (as we see now a

days heart transplants etc.)

>we all know that our body have three fold layer (

> sthula,sukhsma and karuna deha), why they did'nt said that Brahman

fill in

> all of our body layer?

 

First of all these three layers are not a kind of concentric layers.

They are not layers of our physical dimensions. Only for the sake of

conception based on the properties of these sarira, they have been

discribed. There are elaborate treatises covering that 'jiva' is not

just confined to the heart-cave, though we are asked to use it as a

meditation tool. Otherwise, Jiva will be a limited being for ever

which is truly Brahman the infinite.

>Have you heard about anecdote that Krishna didn't

> help Draupadi soon when she was humiliated by Kaurawa because

Draupadi

> called Krishna as Krishna who lived at Dwaraka? I belive that

there must

> be something very interesting with the Brahman who resides in our

heart. I

> hope someone can give me comments about Brahman who resides in our

heart.

>

 

There is no connection of 'late' rescue of Draupadi from insult and

Brahman. It is explained that in the beginning she still held on to

her own effort to protect her respect. Only when she gaveup her

limited effort and surrendered to the Lord completely and stop even

her own struggle to prevent the saree being pulled off, did Sri

Krishna bless her with unending saree length. It indicates that as

long as EGO persists there can not be God.

 

Om Namo Narayanaya !!

 

Srikrishna

[Guest guest]

> I belive that there must

>be something very interesting with the Brahman who resides in our heart. I

>hope someone can give me comments about Brahman who resides in our heart.

>

 

Here is my understanding:

 

Heart in Vedanta means not physical heart but the mind and intellect

together constitute the heart. If we say the heart of the problem -

it is the essence of the problem. If the mind and intellect not

functioning - he becomes just a vegetable with the body alone.

Individual personality is reflected through the mind and intellect-

Hence when it said He dwells in the heart - he dwells in the very

core of ones personality. Shankara says in atmabhoda:

 

sadaa sarvagatopyaatmaa na sarvatraavabhaasate|

budhyaaveva bhaaseta swachcheshuu pratibimbavat||

 

Even though atma pervades everywhere, it does not shine (or say fully

manifest) everywhere. Manifestation depends on the equipment. It

manifests more in the intellect and the manifestaion depndes on how

clean the intellect is or just as the light gets fully reflected if

the mirror is clean - if the mirror is dirty the reflection is not

complete and if is crooked the reflections also get crooked. Blessed

are those whom hearts are pure for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven

says Bible. Impurity is nothing but vaasana-s and purgation of these

by proper yoga is what is involved in spiritual practice. Just as

when the mirror is clean the full reflection is automatic, in the

same way when the mind and intellect becomes pure or what is known as

satvic - He is illumined fully.

 

Hari Om!

Sadananda

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[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

Sadananda wrote :

>Here is my understanding:

>Heart in Vedanta means not physical heart but the mind and intellect

together constitute the heart. If we say the heart of the problem - it is

the essence of the >problem. If the mind and intellect not functioning - he

becomes just a vegetable with the body alone. Individual personality is

reflected through the mind and >intellect- Hence when it said He dwells in

the heart - he dwells in the very core of ones personality. Shankara says in

atmabhoda:

>sadaa sarvagatopyaatmaa na sarvatraavabhaasate|

>budhyaaveva bhaaseta swachcheshuu pratibimbavat||

>Even though atma pervades everywhere, it does not shine (or say fully

manifest) everywhere. Manifestation depends on the equipment. It manifests

more in the >intellect and the manifestaion depndes on how clean the

intellect is or just as the light gets fully reflected if the mirror is

clean - if the mirror is dirty the reflection is >not complete and if is

crooked the reflections also get crooked. Blessed are those whom hearts are

pure for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven says Bible. Impurity >is nothing

but vaasana-s and purgation of these by proper yoga is what is involved in

spiritual practice. Just as when the mirror is clean the full reflection is

>automatic, in the same way when the mind and intellect becomes pure or what

is known as satvic - He is illumined fully.

 

Herry :

 

Yes,maybe you are right, one self realized master said that the mind have

four components there are: manas (resides in our head/brain), budhi (resides

in our tongue), chittam (resides in our navel) and ahamkara (reside in our

heart). At least i am sure that it's not true to say that atman resides only

in our heart.

Thank you...

 

 

Love

 

Herry Ermawan