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Dear Jay,

 

I think we need to first find out what kind of "bullying" she is refering

to! However, I will try to answer both ways from what ever I came to know

from my teachers and from my studies.

 

1. SPIRITUAL: If your question is about spiritual bullying then here is

the approach:

 

if someone claims that his GOD or his Theory is the only theory that is

correct -- then the first (the most important) step is to find out *your*

position. i.e. (a) you should throughly know what you are speaking of

(jnAna) (b) You should have faith in what you have studied (sraddha) © you

should have been contended with the answer you got from your readings,

enquiries or the answer you got from your spiritual guide (samAdhanam)

 

When you find the above qualities are in you, then you are a Master

(adhikAri) to address the person who is trying to push his theory on you. In

case, you fail in any of the above, then please pass it on to somebody whom

you think is appropriate. But halfheartedly, half-knowingly, you should not

attempt to debate, because such a participation in debate will bring

eventual misery to you and to the faith which you d in...

 

And this is also an advise to all the people who try to convert from their

religion which they are born in to -- in to any other religion! While

Hinduism offers the freedom of choice, it also advises --- know about your

religion before praising/adopting any other religion. I have seen many

Hindus being converted in to other religions. Though the converters claim

that it is the supeority of their religion which has made the conversion. In

most cases, it is the might of the sword (now a days fear of losing ones own

job if he doesnt get convert!) or the might of the money which makes the

conversion possible. However, there are people who convert just out of

curiosity or to just jump in to limelight and also others who convert out of

genuine reasons which are spiritual.

 

 

Now when you know you are the Master!, when you know you are capable of

proving your point then you should find about the other person. The first

thing is to listen to him carefully. What is he trying to convey; does he

have a point to make; is he having any supporting arguments, or just

hypothicating. Hypothication is also allowed because brilliant concepts

comeout through hypothications. By listening 10 minutes you will find the

other's persons ambitions (also by observing his physical gestures

(hAvabhAva), his posture (aasana), his eye contact towards you. (please

refer Janaka-Sulabha samvaada, Mahabharata --- for more on taking control

over a debating situation).

 

You can assess the person and find out whethear he is having a (a) satvic

approach (b) Rajasic Approach © Tamasic Approach

 

(1) Saatvic approach called as SamvAda - he is genuinely interested in

proving his point. He does meant no harm to you. He wants to prove his

point out of sheer compassion towards you. He is thinking that by proving

his point he may make a better human out of you. He is also studied

ell. ---- his postures will declare it. You should listen carefully to

him. And try to appreciate his points. Now a days it has become quite rare

that you come accross such people. Because such people tend to keep quite

and accept everybody as good. AND mind you that is the approach of Mahatma

Gandhi! He used to sing: "eeSvara allaH tErE nAm sabkO sanmati dE

bhagavAn". That was also the approach of the Traditional Hindu saints. And

it is also the approach of Jesus Christ.

 

(2) Rajasic approach: alpavAda - he knows very little about his subject.

But he wants to prove that he is right... perhaps out of sheer necessity to

justify his position. He has more to gain in this world by winning over

you. But he also thinks you have a point to make. Try to make your point

with him only for a little time. You will know whether you can change him

or not with in some time of your discussion. But then you better leave the

place, let him think he won... There are pleanty of fools in this world, let

him be contented with his club!

 

 

(3) Tamasic approach: vitaMDavAda, daNda vAda - Either they resort to

abuses, or they resort to physical fight... and this is what is called as

PHYSICAL BULLYING

 

 

2. PHYSICAL BULLYING: They want to prove they are superior, either because

of their money, or because of their reach in the society! It is more a

political vote counting thing. The more the number of followers of their

theory the better. All that matters for the tamasic approach persons is

quantity. Not quality of the humans who endorse/accept their theory. A

person resorts to violence only when he knows he cant win his opponents by

talking! It is also because he doesnt have the logic to support his theory.

So the best way for him to win you over is physically bullying you.

 

Reply: NEVER TOLERATE. There is a traditional saying in Hinduism. "idaM

brAhmaM idaM khAtraM" as long as you try to peacefully argue with me it is

okay and you are welcome (idaM brAhmam) but the moment you try to show your

physical superiority and you try to put me down by the might of your sword

then I will fight you back (idaM kshAtraM).

 

Unfortunately, world never understood the beauty of Hindu religion and the

attitude of the people who endorsed it! The beauty of the religion comes

from the followers of it. Let me give you a few examples from the very same

GODs we as Hindus adore and take historic examples from them to prove my

point...

 

1. LORD RAMA? Essentially a warrior king! He fought a war with Ravana and

defeated him. Rama is a Ekapatni Vrata - Having Single wife.

 

2. LORD KRISHNA: Essentially again a warrior King! He not only fought

wars, but he is famous for his role in the Mahabharata War. He told

Bhagawad Gita, which is the most sacred book for Hindus, after which more

than 18Million people were killed. He declared "hatOvA prApyasi svargaM,

jitvAvA bhOksyasE maheem" Having fought the rightous war, if you lose you

will gain the Heaven, if you win you will enjoy here on earth. Remember ---

wars or warmonging people or Dictators never let their citizens live in

peace, it is the people who fought them and eventually won --- those people

were able to enjoy the peace. And that is what Krishna emphasised. He

emphasised peace, but peace comes sometimes at the expense of punishing the

wicked! Krishna married 8 women!

 

Suffice the above two! However, you refer all our epics --- and all that

you can find is the valorous stories of our Gods and Goddesses who fought

the famous wars! 95% of the GODs whom hidus adore are Warriers!

 

Also if you see, Krishnavatara came later than Ramavatara. Rama vowed to a

one-wife principle, where as Krishna who came later married eight!

OBSERVE:- HINDUS TOOK one-wife principle from Rama, and easily ignored

Krishna inspite of Krishna coming later! OBSERVE:- HINDUS resorted to the

path of peace and non-violence, inspite of all their GODS and GODDESSes ---

whom they regularly adore, do prayers and adore by giving them a special

place in their homes and in their hearts --- being warriers. OBSERVE:-

HINDUS read Bhagawad Gita, which is a book taught in the middle of the

battlefield, Arjuna is a character in Bhagawad Gita, he is the person who

heard Gita directly from LORD KRISHNA, and he fought a great war after

listening to Bhagawad Gita.... STILL Hindus read BhawadGita and --- stood by

the side of Mahatma Gandhi and Vinoba Bhave, who openly declared that

Bhagawad Gita regularly guides them! --- Hindus stood by the side of Gandhi

and adhered to the principle of Non-violence.

 

The above observations should suffice to be an eyeopener about the greatness

of Hindu Religion. Hindus stood to the Upanishadic advise "iti shushruma

dheerEshAM Enastad vAcacakshirE"... Hindus DO NOT BLINDLY FOLLOW their GODs,

for they are forbidden to adopt a BLINDFAITH by the very same GODs.

However, imagine such peaceloving, GOD abiding people are unnecessarily

again and again repeatedly provoked by the BULLYING PEOPLE! Hindus need no

more doctine than the lives of their own GODs to fight back! Sometimes,

thinking of it I worry about a future where Hindus turn away from their

Logical thinking to physical fighting... Can the world come into grips with

such a situation? Why should anybody try to provoke a Hindu I dont

understand! I believe the world should behave more responsibly towards

Hindus and understand their concerns.

 

Sometimes I cant tell you how much I appreciate Swamy Vivekananda's words

"garva sE kahO haM hindu hai". Say proudly, we are Hindus.

 

Hari Om! tat sat!

 

Yours,

Madhava

P.S: It is my concern that the happenings in India are not a good sign, and

we should do everything in our way to make peace and calm prevail. The

coming twenty days are going to be one of the very provocative moments in

the history of India.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> Von: Vivekananda Centre [vivekananda]

> Gesendet: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:20 PM

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> "Sarah Mitchell" <sa.mitchell

> <hindu

> Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:39

> Help

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>

> > Hi

> > I am a student primary teacher and am currently studying

> the topic of

> bullying.

> > I am looking to see how the different world religions feel

> on this matter.

> > I would be greatly appreciative if you could tell me if the

> Hindu faith

> has

> > any strong views on the matter.

> >

> > Yours Sincerely

> > Sarah Mitchell

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~response~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Dear Sarah

>

> How to react to a bully?

> This is a very interesting question.

>

> Taking into account the Hindu teachings of 'Ahimsa' (Non violence)

> one may be tempted to think that Hindu attitude may be perhaps to

> 'tolerate' -- but I do not think that is correct. I will ask our list

> members to

> respond and offer you a variety of views on the matter.

>

> jay

> Vivekananda Centre London

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