Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 --- Kanishk Chakravarty <kanishk wrote: > If the soul resides in the cavity of the > heart....then what resides between > the eyebrows.... Shree Kanishk Chakravarty, Greetings. Heart is not a physical heart - Physical heart is just a part of annamaya kosha. Heart in Vedanta stands for the very heart of the individuality - just as when we use the word in a sentence - this is heart of the problem meaning the essence of the problem. The very core of individual personality or ego is the essence - what I call myself as ' I am' - In all our transactions or identifications -- I am this body when I identify with the gross body - or I am this mind or this intellect when I identify with my subtle body - I am a waker, dreamer, a deep sleeper etc are the three states that I identify myself - that I am is the very core in all these identifications - that what it refers when referring to I am is the very heart of my personality. - Eye brows is only a figurative - when I am in deep thoughts, I tie my eye-brows. The third eye of Shiva located between the two eyes - is also figurative indicating the eye of wisdom and when he opens that all the kaama gets burned - that is in the fire of wisdom ego-centric desires all get burned leaving pure mind. ....... > > In the gita it is given that......like 2 birds > sitting on the same > tree.... This actually comes from Mundaka Upanishad - dvaa suparNaa sayujaa sakhaaya .....Which is emphasized by dvaitins and vishishaaTadvaitins to drive the duality aspect. ..similarly in the heart.....there is our > soul and the > supersoul...that is god......... According to adviata there are no two but there is an appearence of two - like Gold and Gold ring. - Ring is not the same as gold but there is no ring without gold (I am talking about golden ring). Identified with a name and form we call it as a ring and ring is different from bangle which is differet from chain - yet from the point of gold - it is ring, bangle as well as chain. Ring has a date of birth or date of death when ring is melted to make some thing else. The analogy is exact. Individual soul is the consciousness identified with the names and forms - or upaadhiies. That which pervades all these idnetifications like the gold in all ornamnets is what is pure consciousness - one can use the terms soul and super soul as long as we understand correctly the meanings as per advaita. > > after death our soul leaves the body....but what > about the > supersoul...........or is it that our soul itself > contains conciousness and > superconciousness that of god........ Consciousness is all pervading and there is nothing other than consciousness - so there is no question of leaving - hence it is referred to as 'achalam', immovable. Subtle body leaves the gross body - that is what constitutes the physical death. The identification with the subtle body continues even after death - just as in dream indentification with subtle body remains even though the identification with gross body ceases. Illuninating consciousness is always present now illumining the subtle body that moves around in different fields of experiences (lokas) depending on its vaasana-s or karma-s. Hope this is clear. Hari OM! Sadananda > > > please express your opinion............. > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 Kanishk Chakravarty [kanishk] Monday, March 18, 2002 10:09 PM advaitin Re: soul....?? we know that there is no god superior to Shiv-Shankar....who is complete in knowledge...and power.......but what about the nirakar brahman that shankaracharya preached...........is it the supreme conciousness......?? what about eternal time...........by which everybody is bound? ******************************* Perhaps you can tell us. Love Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 --- Kanishk Chakravarty <kanishk wrote: > we know that there is no god superior to > Shiv-Shankar....who is complete in > knowledge...and power.......but what about the > nirakar brahman that > shankaracharya preached...........is it the supreme > conciousness......?? > > what about eternal time...........by which everybody > is bound? Shree Kanishk Chakravarty - Before I discuss any thing - a request to you and to all the members as well - When you reply to a post, please retain only to the points you are discussing discarding the rest of the original mail to conserve the memory space. Now you asked saguNa and nirguNa brahman. Brahman is only one without a second - no qualifications can be added to it since it is a subject I and not an object to have qualifications. But when I take myself as limited entity by identifying myslef only as this body,mind and intellect then I have to bring in Iswara who is the creator of this world- Essentially the concept of Iswara is created to account for the creation that is really not there. Once I realize that I am Brahman, there is nothing other than I. Iswara who is saguNa brahman is there as long as I see myself separate from the rest of the creation. Then there is yoga involving karma, Bhakti and j`naana - all are valid within that realm. Sadhana has relavance in that reference called vyavahaarika. There is only one consciousness - whether you call it supreme or not. Consciousness cannot be divided just as space cannot be divided. There is apparent divisions in consciousness just as gold is divided into ring, bangle etc also it is just one gold and gold never became a bangle or ring to start with. But yet ring is different from bangle or chain. The apparent differences are appear to be real as long we take them real. They become apparent when one shifts the attention from the name and form to the essence. Hari OM! Sadananda Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 If the soul resides in the cavity of the heart....then what resides between the eyebrows............ In the gita it is given that......like 2 birds sitting on the same tree.....similarly in the heart.....there is our soul and the supersoul...that is god......... after death our soul leaves the body....but what about the supersoul...........or is it that our soul itself contains conciousness and superconciousness that of god........ please express your opinion............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 you mean the gold ring in the physical body and the gold is the soul which is eternal...... you mean there is no supersoul....or god..........the advaitvaad...had different views from the gita......which is the fact....im confused please explain....... if our soul is itself the all pervading brahman.....then how do gods like Vishnuji and Shivji get to know what we are thinking.......it must only be possible if we have the same brahman in us but different conciousness......? ?? - "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada <advaitin> Monday, March 18, 2002 3:16 AM Re: soul....?? > > --- Kanishk Chakravarty <kanishk > wrote: > > If the soul resides in the cavity of the > > heart....then what resides between > > the eyebrows.... > > Shree Kanishk Chakravarty, > > Greetings. Heart is not a physical heart - Physical > heart is just a part of annamaya kosha. > > Heart in Vedanta stands for the very heart of the > individuality - just as when we use the word in a > sentence - this is heart of the problem meaning the > essence of the problem. > > The very core of individual personality or ego is the > essence - what I call myself as ' I am' - In all our > transactions or identifications -- I am this body when > I identify with the gross body - or I am this mind or > this intellect when I identify with my subtle body - I > am a waker, dreamer, a deep sleeper etc are the three > states that I identify myself - that I am is the very > core in all these identifications - that what it > refers when referring to I am is the very heart of my > personality. > - Eye brows is only a figurative - when I am in deep > thoughts, I tie my eye-brows. The third eye of Shiva > located between the two eyes - is also figurative > indicating the eye of wisdom and when he opens that > all the kaama gets burned - that is in the fire of > wisdom ego-centric desires all get burned leaving pure > mind. > > ....... > > > > In the gita it is given that......like 2 birds > > sitting on the same > > tree.... > > This actually comes from Mundaka Upanishad - dvaa > suparNaa sayujaa sakhaaya .....Which is emphasized by > dvaitins and vishishaaTadvaitins to drive the duality > aspect. > > .similarly in the heart.....there is our > > soul and the > > supersoul...that is god......... > > According to adviata there are no two but there is an > appearence of two - like Gold and Gold ring. - Ring is > not the same as gold but there is no ring without gold > (I am talking about golden ring). Identified with a > name and form we call it as a ring and ring is > different from bangle which is differet from chain - > yet from the point of gold - it is ring, bangle as > well as chain. Ring has a date of birth or date of > death when ring is melted to make some thing else. > The analogy is exact. Individual soul is the > consciousness identified with the names and forms - or > upaadhiies. That which pervades all these > idnetifications like the gold in all ornamnets is what > is pure consciousness - one can use the terms soul and > super soul as long as we understand correctly the > meanings as per advaita. > > > > > > after death our soul leaves the body....but what > > about the > > supersoul...........or is it that our soul itself > > contains conciousness and > > superconciousness that of god........ > > Consciousness is all pervading and there is nothing > other than consciousness - so there is no question of > leaving - hence it is referred to as 'achalam', > immovable. > > Subtle body leaves the gross body - that is what > constitutes the physical death. The identification > with the subtle body continues even after death - just > as in dream indentification with subtle body remains > even though the identification with gross body ceases. > Illuninating consciousness is always present now > illumining the subtle body that moves around in > different fields of experiences (lokas) depending on > its vaasana-s or karma-s. > > Hope this is clear. > > Hari OM! > Sadananda > > > > > > > please express your opinion............. > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports./ > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 we know that there is no god superior to Shiv-Shankar....who is complete in knowledge...and power.......but what about the nirakar brahman that shankaracharya preached...........is it the supreme conciousness......?? what about eternal time...........by which everybody is bound? - "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada <advaitin> Monday, March 18, 2002 3:16 AM Re: soul....?? > > --- Kanishk Chakravarty <kanishk > wrote: > > If the soul resides in the cavity of the > > heart....then what resides between > > the eyebrows.... > > Shree Kanishk Chakravarty, > > Greetings. Heart is not a physical heart - Physical > heart is just a part of annamaya kosha. > > Heart in Vedanta stands for the very heart of the > individuality - just as when we use the word in a > sentence - this is heart of the problem meaning the > essence of the problem. > > The very core of individual personality or ego is the > essence - what I call myself as ' I am' - In all our > transactions or identifications -- I am this body when > I identify with the gross body - or I am this mind or > this intellect when I identify with my subtle body - I > am a waker, dreamer, a deep sleeper etc are the three > states that I identify myself - that I am is the very > core in all these identifications - that what it > refers when referring to I am is the very heart of my > personality. > - Eye brows is only a figurative - when I am in deep > thoughts, I tie my eye-brows. The third eye of Shiva > located between the two eyes - is also figurative > indicating the eye of wisdom and when he opens that > all the kaama gets burned - that is in the fire of > wisdom ego-centric desires all get burned leaving pure > mind. > > ....... > > > > In the gita it is given that......like 2 birds > > sitting on the same > > tree.... > > This actually comes from Mundaka Upanishad - dvaa > suparNaa sayujaa sakhaaya .....Which is emphasized by > dvaitins and vishishaaTadvaitins to drive the duality > aspect. > > .similarly in the heart.....there is our > > soul and the > > supersoul...that is god......... > > According to adviata there are no two but there is an > appearence of two - like Gold and Gold ring. - Ring is > not the same as gold but there is no ring without gold > (I am talking about golden ring). Identified with a > name and form we call it as a ring and ring is > different from bangle which is differet from chain - > yet from the point of gold - it is ring, bangle as > well as chain. Ring has a date of birth or date of > death when ring is melted to make some thing else. > The analogy is exact. Individual soul is the > consciousness identified with the names and forms - or > upaadhiies. That which pervades all these > idnetifications like the gold in all ornamnets is what > is pure consciousness - one can use the terms soul and > super soul as long as we understand correctly the > meanings as per advaita. > > > > > > after death our soul leaves the body....but what > > about the > > supersoul...........or is it that our soul itself > > contains conciousness and > > superconciousness that of god........ > > Consciousness is all pervading and there is nothing > other than consciousness - so there is no question of > leaving - hence it is referred to as 'achalam', > immovable. > > Subtle body leaves the gross body - that is what > constitutes the physical death. The identification > with the subtle body continues even after death - just > as in dream indentification with subtle body remains > even though the identification with gross body ceases. > Illuninating consciousness is always present now > illumining the subtle body that moves around in > different fields of experiences (lokas) depending on > its vaasana-s or karma-s. > > Hope this is clear. > > Hari OM! > Sadananda > > > > > > > please express your opinion............. > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports./ > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2002 Report Share Posted March 18, 2002 hey harsha,.....is that supposed to be a joke.......?? i was only trying to get answers........ - "Harsha" <advaitin> Monday, March 18, 2002 5:51 AM RE: soul....?? > > Kanishk Chakravarty [kanishk] > Monday, March 18, 2002 10:09 PM > advaitin > Re: soul....?? > > we know that there is no god superior to Shiv-Shankar....who is complete in > knowledge...and power.......but what about the nirakar brahman that > shankaracharya preached...........is it the supreme conciousness......?? > > what about eternal time...........by which everybody is bound? > > ******************************* > Perhaps you can tell us. > > Love > Harsha > > > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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