Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 advaitin, edmeasure@a... wrote: > There are explanations for such events, other than madness or of the world's > favorite escape clause, hypnosis. I am wanting to present some of these > ideas, along with early laboratory findings, that hint and move closely in > the very same directions as advaita. Since I am far from being an expert on > scholarly details of advaita I would surely enjoy hearing responses from some > of the long term seasoned advaita Seers. There are many close connections > here, yet to come to awareness. > > jai guru dev, > > Edmond Namaste Edmond, Yes, please present them, I personally would be interested in what you have to say. First of all I am not a "long term seasoned advaita Seer", yet will brifely state my ideas on such phenomenon. I have posted similar thoughts on this list earlier, but then there was not sufficient interest among the list members to pursue such discussions. Nature of reality or Nature of illusion: There are various planes of existence. The physical plane being the most gross. Further there is a heirarchy here. Let us use Pi to refer to the plane number i. So we have P0, P1, P2, P3, .. Pn. Pn is the physical plane. P1 to P(n-1) are more subtle planes and are in the domain of Mind (Mind not to be interpreted as manas). Yet, P1 to P(n-1) are still within the domain of Prakriti. P0 is a special plane, it lies in the Purusha. Prakriti is like a magnifying and coloring glass, She colors P0 and projects P0 as P1. The intresting thing is, P1 appears to be outside the Purusha. Now due to attachments rooted in avidya, Purusha makes Prakriti, further magnify and further color P1 and project it as P2. This process is repeated. With every projection the image is made more and more gross and appears to be more and more outside the Purusha. Now by visualization etc. one is able to manipulate some of these intermediate planes. Say one modifies planes P0 to P3. The images in the remaining planes, including the physical plane get automatically altered. This is basically the kosha concept. I am not sure if I understand the five koshas well enough. Hence prevented myself from naming the planes by more explicit terms. Also the coloring of planes by Prakriti and making it more and more gross is captured by the three Gunas. Again, I am somewhat unclear on tri-gunas and hence have avoided explicitly mentioning them. Best regards Shrinivas Gadkari p.s. Sometime ago I had posted a small essay on quantum theory on this list. I have added some more material to this essay if you or others are interested I can post it to the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 In the book, "In days of Great Peace" written by a western devotee of Sri Ramana Maharshi, there are accounts of mystical experiences the author went through in places such as you mentioned. However, the author clearly says that none of these ever gave him any lasting peace nor realization. He eventually was drawn towards Sri Ramana Ashram where he spent 9 months during the last mortal days of Sri Ramana Maharshi where he realized the Advatic experience fully. Regards, Anand > > Rosicrucians had performed many such experiments > with visualized triangles in > their home study sanctums before, so the procedures > were pretty well known by > everyone. The excitement and charisma of the > speaker was enthralling and > because I did not understand the French all that > well, I opened my eyes to > look at him and to catch the body language also. To > my overwhelming surprise > and astonishment, there, directly in front of the > speaker's podium and > centrally located in the temple area, was a huge > burning triangle, with point > downwards. A blazing fire of purple-blue flames was > miraculously suspended > in the air. Each side of the fiery triangle was > approximately twenty feet > across and some three feet in cross sectional > diameter. I knew it was very > real for the flames moved in circular motion and > they also exhibited > parallax, that three dimensional optical > verification phenomena of seeing a > distant image move while moving one's head when > viewing through a small > window pane. The triangle simply remained suspended > and burned while the > speaker continued, totally enraptured with his > enlivened stories on divine > energy and the many applications of Jesus. Others > saw a purple silhouetted > ghost like aura of Jesus standing behind the > speaker, though I saw no such > thing, and vice versa. I had never before witnessed > such an overwhelming > demonstration! There was no fear, simply > enthrallment and deep, deep > respect. > > These and other such experiences have a way of > changing one's life, forever. > There are explanations for such events, other than > madness or of the world's > favorite escape clause, hypnosis. I am wanting to > present some of these > ideas, along with early laboratory findings, that > hint and move closely in > the very same directions as advaita. Since I am far > from being an expert on > scholarly details of advaita I would surely enjoy > hearing responses from some > of the long term seasoned advaita Seers. There are > many close connections > here, yet to come to awareness. > > jai guru dev, > > Edmond > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 advaitin, Anand Natarajan <harihara.geo> wrote: > > In the book, "In days of Great Peace" written by a > western devotee of Sri Ramana Maharshi, there are > accounts of mystical experiences the author went > through in places such as you mentioned. However, the > author clearly says that none of these ever gave him > any lasting peace nor realization. He eventually was > drawn towards Sri Ramana Ashram where he spent 9 > months during the last mortal days of Sri Ramana > Maharshi where he realized the Advatic experience > fully. > > Regards, > Anand Namaste Anand, Here is my understanding: Chapter 26 of book 3 bhagvatam is devoted to the Samkhya philosophy as expounded by the ancient maharshi Kapilacharya. It defines vasudeva as: "The chitta in its natural state is pure and serene. Such a chitta is called Vasudeva". It is attainment of this Vasudeva that gives lasting peace and nothing else. I think Vasudeva tattva of Bhagvatas is the same as Shiva tattva of Shaivas. And Shakti of Shaivas is the Shri of Bhagvatas. Now it is like this: One who seeks Shakti/Shri without first attaining Shiva/Vasudeva will fall. For who can handle Shakti other than Shiva and who is worthy of Shri other than Vasudeva. So one should always first seek to attain the state of Shiva or Vasudeva. However Shiva and Shakti are two aspects of the param-shiva, Vasudeva and Shri are two aspects of Bhagavan. You cannot seek only Shiva and reject Shakti, you cannot say "no entry to Shri" and hope to attain Vasudeva. Shakti follows Shiva on her own, Shri accompanies Vasudeva on her own. No need to seek Shakti/Shri, just do not reject her. So taking interest in the illusion of duality should not be considered against the spirit of advaita, as long as there is no attachment to it. The focus should be on the Self. I do not mean to suggest that we should discuss dramatic phenomenon. I have not experienced any such phenomenon and should confess that am not very comfortable discussing such out of ordinary phenomenon. Though I have no doubt that such events do take place and atleast theoritically I roughly understand their mechanics. What I do want to suggest is: Consider the day-to-day events in our life. Clearly not everything is rosy. Everyone has pains in various shapes. If somehow we could gain some insights into the cause-effect relationship for these everyday events, we may be able to make our lives somewhat smoother. Probably we may not feel as helpless as many people do. Best regards Shrinivas Gadkari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Dear Emdon, Amazing experience. There are many such amazing experiences narrated in the book Autobiography of a Yogi (http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap14/chap14.html) Mukunda!" Sri Yukteswar's voice sounded from a distant inner balcony. I felt as rebellious as my thoughts. "Master always urges me to meditate," I muttered to myself. "He should not disturb me when he knows why I came to his room." He summoned me again; I remained obstinately silent. The third time his tone held rebuke. "Sir, I am meditating," I shouted protestingly. "I know how you are meditating," my guru called out, "with your mind distributed like leaves in a storm! Come here to me." Snubbed and exposed, I made my way sadly to his side. "Poor boy, the mountains couldn't give what you wanted." Master spoke caressively, comfortingly. His calm gaze was unfathomable. "Your heart's desire shall be fulfilled." Sri Yukteswar seldom indulged in riddles; I was bewildered. He struck gently on my chest above the heart. My body became immovably rooted; breath was drawn out of my lungs as if by some huge magnet. Soul and mind instantly lost their physical bondage, and streamed out like a fluid piercing light from my every pore. The flesh was as though dead, yet in my intense awareness I knew that never before had I been fully alive. My sense of identity was no longer narrowly confined to a body, but embraced the circumambient atoms. People on distant streets seemed to be moving gently over my own remote periphery. The roots of plants and trees appeared through a dim transparency of the soil; I discerned the inward flow of their sap. The whole vicinity lay bare before me. My ordinary frontal vision was now changed to a vast spherical sight, simultaneously all-perceptive. Through the back of my head I saw men strolling far down Rai Ghat Road, and noticed also a white cow who was leisurely approaching. When she reached the space in front of the open ashram gate, I observed her with my two physical eyes. As she passed by, behind the brick wall, I saw her clearly still. All objects within my panoramic gaze trembled and vibrated like quick motion pictures. My body, Master's, the pillared courtyard, the furniture and floor, the trees and sunshine, occasionally became violently agitated, until all melted into a luminescent sea; even as sugar crystals, thrown into a glass of water, dissolve after being shaken. The unifying light alternated with materializations of form, the metamorphoses revealing the law of cause and effect in creation. An oceanic joy broke upon calm endless shores of my soul. The Spirit of God, I realized, is exhaustless Bliss; His body is countless tissues of light. A swelling glory within me began to envelop towns, continents, the earth, solar and stellar systems, tenuous nebulae, and floating universes. The entire cosmos, gently luminous, like a city seen afar at night, glimmered within the infinitude of my being.. regards Sundar Rajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2002 Report Share Posted May 28, 2002 Anand Natarajan [<A HREF="advaitin/post?protectID=18016609100904203121\ 8098190108130063136158196219183121152006048067">harihara.geo</A>] Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:03 AM <A HREF="advaitin/post?protectID=24306401823708213403\ 6158203245147187078145038136183193071193172194143142">advaitin</\ A> Re: Burning Triangle - An Experiment In the book, "In days of Great Peace" written by a western devotee of Sri Ramana Maharshi, there are accounts of mystical experiences the author went through in places such as you mentioned. However, the author clearly says that none of these ever gave him any lasting peace nor realization. He eventually was drawn towards Sri Ramana Ashram where he spent 9 months during the last mortal days of Sri Ramana Maharshi where he realized the Advatic experience fully. Regards, Anand Peace comes from the repetitive touching of the transcendent. Siddhi things are simply another form of activity in duality, subtle and yet subtler forms of activity within the domains of subtler levels of prakriti. As such, they are not necessarily associated with 'peace'. Indeed, they may well stir things up at first, just like the response in the exploration of any new situation. The above author obviously found an environment where atma was able to swim and blend with the sakti flowing of purusa and isvara more easily. This is commendable. The nomenclature "mystical experience" can mean and be a variety of different types and levels of subtle activity, and we can easily be talking about different things, altogether, as apples or oranges. There can be "mystical experiences" which are not seen to be rewarding in the eyes of the beholder. Hence the sometimes sprouting of less than positive and useful ideas about siddhis. Fear. Without peace, there is fear. Demons might creep in? We stay away in the relative safety of sufrffering darkness. jai guru dev, Edmond Chouinard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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