Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Srikrishna commented: <<First of all I want to hint this new virus which is spreading: > > Sukam Chara, Priyam Vada, > I am under the impression that our Tradition which you emphasise so muu.......ch only said, "Satyam Vada Dharmam Chara". In the recent times, on this list, you and Dennis have discovered this new, fancy slogan. Priyam at the cost of Satyam, and Sukham at the expense of Dharma are both useless and non-traditional.>> Just for the record, my use of the phrase comes from the aShTAvakra gItA, 15.3, and is one of my favourite passages. I thought it made a very suitable salutation for a forum such as this and I did not wish for it to appear 'fancy' or to defy tradition in any way! na tvaM deho na te deho bhoktA kartA na vA bhavAn chidrUpo.asi sadA sAkShI nirapekShaH sukhaM chara I have translated this as: "You are not the body, nor is the body yours. Sir, you are neither an enjoyer nor a doer; you are Consciousness itself - the eternal, disinterested witness. Be happy!" sukhaM chara, Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Hari Om !! advaitin, "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote: > Srikrishna commented: > > <<First of all I want to hint this new virus which is spreading: > > > > Sukam Chara, Priyam Vada, > > > > I am under the impression that our Tradition which you emphasise so > muu.......ch only said, "Satyam Vada Dharmam Chara". In the recent > times, on this list, you and Dennis have discovered this new, fancy > slogan. Priyam at the cost of Satyam, and Sukham at the expense of > Dharma are both useless and non-traditional.>> > > Just for the record, my use of the phrase comes from the aShTAvakra gItA, > 15.3, and is one of my favourite passages. I thought it made a very suitable > salutation for a forum such as this and I did not wish for it to appear > 'fancy' or to defy tradition in any way! > > na tvaM deho na te deho bhoktA kartA na vA bhavAn > chidrUpo.asi sadA sAkShI nirapekShaH sukhaM chara > > I have translated this as: "You are not the body, nor is the body yours. > Sir, you are neither an enjoyer nor a doer; you are Consciousness itself - > the eternal, disinterested witness. Be happy!" > > sukhaM chara, > > Dennis This is called fancy. Just because you liked, (based on your interpretation), you started using it. A more accurte translation could be like this: " ... you are the of the form of consciousness, the eternal witness, and so, (understanding this, may ) "You go about happily" (in this world unattached)." Hope you see the difference. You have to give a lot of explanation before your "Sukham chara" slogan, where as "Dharmam chara" is a vidhi. Om Namo Narayanaya !! Srikrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Namaste Krishnaji: I am rather puzzled by your comment that "Priyam at the cost of Satyam, and Sukham at the expense of Dharma are both useless and non-traditional." You seem to imply that with Priyam, Satyam should go and with Sukham, Dharma will not prevail. What prevents us from having Satyam, Dharmam, Sukham and Priyam? Our Hindu tradition and heritage does permit people to have various beliefs and notions within the confinement of Dharma and Satyam. Our sages and saints have recognized that "one size does not fit all" and consequently respected individual freedom of choice words, gods and traditions. I agree that "Dharma Chara" is vidhi but how many of us really understand fully what "Dharma" really means. Dharma cann't be easily understood and is also subject to interpretation and that is why we see many violations. Let us show follow the Dharma by accepting Dennis and Venkatesh with what they believe instead of imposing our own rules. warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, "srikrishna_ghadiyaram" > > > > <<First of all I want to hint this new virus which is spreading: > > > > > > Sukam Chara, Priyam Vada, > > > > > > > I am under the impression that our Tradition which you emphasise so > > muu.......ch only said, "Satyam Vada Dharmam Chara". In the recent > > times, on this list, you and Dennis have discovered this new, fancy > > slogan. Priyam at the cost of Satyam, and Sukham at the expense of > > Dharma are both useless and non-traditional.>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Thanks for the corrections to my naïve and over-simplistic translation, Srikrishna. I will cease using this form of salutation forthwith - pity really but never mind. I still hope that you can 'Be Happy' (and not too serious!) Regards, Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 Hari Om !! Dear Dennis Kindly do not misunderstand my clarification. In a 'disconnected' 'Sukham Chara' phrase, it sounded to me Umar Khayam type passive uncredfor pleasure seeking, than that 'carefree Happiness' implied in the stanza you referred. You may continue to use as you please, after considering my view appropriately if valid. In addition, a small suggestion, you may even experiment greetings with the salutation to your beloved lord. At least it reminds of your ideal goal. Om Namo Narayanaya !! Srikrishna advaitin, "Dennis Waite" <dwaite@d...> wrote: > Thanks for the corrections to my naïve and over-simplistic translation, > Srikrishna. I will cease using this form of salutation forthwith - pity > really but never mind. I still hope that you can 'Be Happy' (and not too > serious!) > > Regards, > > Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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