New Member Introduction: Welcome Dr K.Loganathan

[Guest guest]

Namaste:

 

Let us welcome Dr. Loganathan, a new member to the

list. We can look forward to his active participation

with his thoughtful insights. His scholarly background

will certainly benefit the members to clear their

doubts on metaphysics and human psychology.

 

warmest regards,

 

Advaitin List Moderators

 

 

--- "Dr. K. Loganathan" <subas wrote:

>

> Biodata :Dr K.Loganathan

>

> Born in 1940 (in India near Thiruchi) had primary

> education is Saraswathy Tamil School , Sungai

> Patani Malaysia. Then

> secondary education in English in St Theresa's

> School and Ibrahim School , Sungai Patani. Then

> did advanced level is Penang

> Free School  where won Colombo Plan  Scholarship

> to pursue University  education in the  University

> of Otago in Dunedin,

> New Zealand. Graduated in Mathematical Physics and

> Philosophy. Was trained also as a  Teacher in

> Teachers College Christ

> Church, New Zealand. Then posted as a teacher in

> King George V School in Seremban, Malaysia. Pulled

> to the Curriculum

> Development Center of the Ministry od Education

> and rose to the position of Asst. Director in

> Research and Evaluation and

> during which time won AMEC scholarship to do

> Masters in Cognitive Psychology in the University

> of London. Continued

> working in CDC after winning masters with

> distinction. Then in 1979 pulled to the University

> Sains Malaysia to serve as the

> Deputy Director of Project InsPIRE and lecturer in

> Educational Psychology and during which time did

> PhD in the University of

> London under the supervision of Dr Shayers. Also

> developed many Hermeneutic Sciences  by developing

> and using Access

> Tests. The psychology thus developed is known now

> as Agamic Psychology. Retired after twenty years

> of teaching and

> researching in USM.

>

> Have written many  books and hundreds of articles

> mainly in Tamil and English in Linguistics,

> Psychology and Philosophy .

> History of  Dravidian Philosophy has become a

> particular area of interest. The books that have

> been  published include

> Hermeneutic Analysis Discourse , Metaphysica

> Universalis of Meykandar, ThiruneRith theLivu (in

> Tamil ) ArutkuRaL (in

> Tamil). Online publications include  Pothath

> theLivu (Tamil)  The Metaphysical Questions of

> Arunandi (English)  History of

> Dravidian Philosophy (ongoing) Civanjana KaRpam

> (ongoing).

>

> At the moment concerned in my research with

> Sumerian as Archaic Tamil, Sanskrit as Archaic

> tamil etc.

>

> Been the Chairman of Malaysia Hindu Sangam Penang

> branch, Sec.gen of World Saiva Council, Editor of

> Saiva Ulagam etc.

> Now moderating two , one for Agamic

> Psychology and another under the name of Meykandar

> for metaphysics.  Also

> an active participant of tamil.net and many other

> concerned with Indian Culture. Have

> traveled to most important

> countries  in the world. Several times to India,

> U.K , Nepal, Japan HongKong  Phillipines 

> Indonesia America  and  most

> importantly S. Africa.

>

> Married twice and have two children through the

> first marriage. My son is already a doctor and my

> daughter will also be doctor

> next year.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Moderators,

 

Thank-you very much. I feel very flattered. Let me mention that I am here to

learn more about

Advaita Vedanta of Shankara with which I find myself cannot go along mainly

because the issue

of Fundamental Ontology is not suffciently well developed in  Advaitaic Vedantic

views  that I

have learned mainly through Tamil texts. I find that the view that Pati (BEING)

pacu (the

anmas) and Pacam ( the binding fetters) are unoriginated (anati) quite

attractive and hence

more in agreement with Thirumular Meykandar and so forth.

 

Any way I hope to be  a silent learner for some time. Nevertheless I have an

active area of

studies that may be of interest the list members viz. that the Language of Rig

Veda is Archaic

Tamil very close to Sumeru Tamil but a bit later.

 

The studies already done so far are availabale at the following websites.

 

http://ulagank.tripod.com/vedictamil/vedtamfnt.html

 

http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/sumstudies/sumcampus.html

 

 

If members would like such Vedic Studies I will very happy  to post them here as

well.

 

Thank-you again for your warm welcome that I really appreciate.

 

Loga

 

 

 

Advaitin List Moderators wrote:

> Namaste:

>

> Let us welcome Dr. Loganathan, a new member to the

> list. We can look forward to his active participation

> with his thoughtful insights. His scholarly background

> will certainly benefit the members to clear their

> doubts on metaphysics and human psychology.

>

> warmest regards,

>

> Advaitin List Moderators

>

> -

[Guest guest]

Namaste Dr. Loganathan:

 

The Saiva Siddhantam is a model closely similar to Advaita Philosophy

and when we understand the terminology of both of them, it is possible

to reconcile if we keep an open mind.

 

The close equivalence of Pati is Purusha or Brahman in Advaita

(Paramartha level or absolute reality).

Pasu is equivalent to Prakriti or matter or the world seen by the

Jivas (at the Vyavahara level or relative reality)

The pasam is equivalent to the spell of Maya which is responsible for

the attachment and also ignorance. The advaitins also accept the fact

regarding 'anati - unoriginated' Both the philosophies orginate from

the Vedas and they have to tell the 'same truth' using different

languages.

 

The explanation above may need additional theorems and corollaries and

they omitted for simplifications.(Shankara, the author of Advaita

Philosophy is considered an incarnation of Shiva and is a great

devotee of Sakti)

 

Please feel free to post any interesting articles from Vedic studies

and quite a few members including me will be delighted to read them.

 

warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, "Dr. K. Loganathan" <subas@p...> wrote:

> Dear Moderators,

>

> Thank-you very much. I feel very flattered. Let me mention that I am

here to learn more about

> Advaita Vedanta of Shankara with which I find myself cannot go along

mainly because the issue

> of Fundamental Ontology is not suffciently well developed in 

Advaitaic Vedantic views  that I

> have learned mainly through Tamil texts. I find that the view that

Pati (BEING) pacu (the

> anmas) and Pacam ( the binding fetters) are unoriginated (anati)

quite attractive and hence

> more in agreement with Thirumular Meykandar and so forth.

>  

>

> If members would like such Vedic Studies I will very happy  to post

them here as well.

>

> Thank-you again for your warm welcome that I really appreciate.

>

> Loga

>  

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

Though I am not very keen to enter into any controversies, I believe that your

understanding of

Saiva Siddhanta is not the same as mine even though I have translated and

written my own

commentary to Civanjana Botham, Irupaa Irupatu and so forth

 

 Saiva Siddhanta may be close to Kashmir Saivism though even there there are

some differences

(but perhaps minor).. Certainly Advaita Vedanta has been studied by Meykandar

and so forth but

as they say, "Veedaantat teLivaam Saiva Siddhaantam" i.e. Saiva Siddhanta as a

disconstruction

of Vedanta.

 

Some points for your considerations ( I am willing to elaborate on these if

members wish)

 

1. The BEING ( as Siva or Pathi) is NOT BRAHMAN, (or even Purusha  who resembles

the Sumerian

Enlil or Se-ir-ma-al  who is known in historical times as Tirumaal or VishNu and

earlier as

Purusha) the Radiant but the PancaKrittiyan, the Civa Nadarajah or the Sangkaara

kaaraNan, the

ONE who effects the Maka Sangkaaram and because of which He is also the

Originator. But this

only BEING as Piraviruttan and above this  we have BEING as Sakyuttan and above

it the Sattan

 

2. The notion of Pacu is also different for primordially it is engulfed in

aaNavam , something

beyond the Gunas and as far as my knowledge goes none of the Vedantic systems

to the

notion of aaNavam. Outside the Southern Saivites I think only Kashmir  Saivism

acknowledges

aaNavam. Among the paasam are included aaNavam Kanmam and maayai where by maayai

is meant the

primordial matter and not the magical power

 

3. Hinduism is NOT Vedic though Vedism is a later product of Hinduism as

Agamism. This I have 

shown in my SumeroTamil studies and hope to show in my ongoing studies on Rig

Veda as Archaic

Tamil and so forth. This is NOT to deny that in the evolution of Hinduism the

Vedas have played

an important role

 

You may find  the following articles  quite relevant. I have shown that Siva

Durga Tirumal are

Sumero Dravidian . More studies along these lines are being conducted.

 

http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/sumstudies/hin-sum-dra.html

 

Thanks for your interest in  the studies on Rig Veda as Archaic Tamil. Why not

if it serves to

provide  another way of looking at the Vedas and thereby understand them better?

 

 

Loga

 

ramvchandran wrote:

> Namaste Dr. Loganathan:

>

> The Saiva Siddhantam is a model closely similar to Advaita Philosophy

> and when we understand the terminology of both of them, it is possible

> to reconcile if we keep an open mind.

>

> The close equivalence of Pati is Purusha or Brahman in Advaita

> (Paramartha level or absolute reality).

> Pasu is equivalent to Prakriti or matter or the world seen by the

> Jivas (at the Vyavahara level or relative reality)

> The pasam is equivalent to the spell of Maya which is responsible for

> the attachment and also ignorance. The advaitins also accept the fact

> regarding 'anati - unoriginated'  Both the philosophies orginate from

> the Vedas and they have to tell the 'same truth' using different

> languages.

>

> The explanation above may need additional theorems and corollaries and

> they omitted for simplifications.(Shankara, the author of Advaita

> Philosophy is considered an incarnation of Shiva and is a great

> devotee of Sakti)

>

> Please feel free to post any interesting articles from Vedic studies

> and quite a few members including me will be delighted to read them.

>

> warmest regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

..

[Guest guest]

Namaste Dr. Loganathan:

 

I do agree that we do not need to enter into unnecessary

contradictions and accept that the two philosophies are different. Let

us pursue on topics that we agree and those that can be more

beneficial to all the members,

 

warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, "Dr. K. Loganathan" <subas@p...> wrote:

> Dear Sir,

>

> Though I am not very keen to enter into any controversies, I believe

that your understanding of

> Saiva Siddhanta is not the same as mine even though I have

translated and written my own

> commentary to Civanjana Botham, Irupaa Irupatu and so forth

>

..