Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 --- s.venkatraman wrote: May I suggest > that we collected them probably under the head > 'Advaitic Sutras in English'. Namaste Venkat I am glad that you liked the Plato. I am posting something here that may echo for you also and could come under your heading although it is too long to be a sutra. It was written at the peak of the Italian Renaissance by the head of the Platonic School: Marsilio Ficino. This man was a doctor, musician, astrologer, scientist and one of the great philosophers who contributed much to our present culture. The following is from a letter that he wrote to a contemporary and it is an extension of the sutra of Plato. I am reminded of the Kena Upanishad when I read this. This is only the first part of the letter and I could continue it if you wished. (By the way, if Ram reads this, I appreciate your rephrasing of Plato's sutra but would not like to use the word 'centre' which Plato uses because to me, from this point of view, the centre is Brahmanatman. Just a thought.) Marsilio Ficino writes: 'We have often talked together of moral and natural philosophy, beloved Michele, and even more often of divine philosophy. I remember you used to say again and again that morals are developed through practice, natural things discovered by reason and the divine begged f God by prayer. I have also read in the works of our Plato that the divine is revealed through purity of living rather than taught by verbal instruction. When I seriously considered these things I sometimes began to feel sick at heart, for I had already come to distrust reason but still lacked faith in revelation. From this there arose an intimate conversation between the soul and God. Listen to this, if you please, although I think you may already be nearer to speaking with God than I. God: Why do you grieve so much, my unhappy soul? 0 my daughter, weep no more. Behold, I, your father, am here with you. I am here, your cure and your salvation. Soul: Oh that my father would enter into mc. If I believed such a grace could befall me, ah! I should go mad with joy. As it is, I do not see how that can come about; for if; as I thought, the creator of the world created me, his offspring, nearer to himself than his own created world, he who is only outside me is not my highest father. Nor could he who was only within me be my father, for my father is certainly greater than I, yet he who is contained in me must be smaller. But I do not know how anything can be both inside me and outside me at the same time. What sorely distresses me, stranger, whoever you may be, is this: that I do not wish to live without my father, yet despair of being able to find him. God: Put an end to your tears, my daughter, and do not torment yourself; it is no stranger who speaks to you but one who is your very own, more familiar to you than you are to yourself. Indeed, I am both with you and within you. I am indeed with you, because I am in you; I am in you, because you are in me. If you were not in me you would not be in yourself, indeed you would not be at all. Dry those tears, my daughter, and look upon your father. Your father is the least of all things in size, just as he is the greatest of all things in excellence; and since he is very small he is within every thing, but since he is very great he is outside everything. See, I am here with you, both within and without, the greatest smallness and the smallest greatness. Behold, I say, do you not see? I fill heaven and earth, I penetrate and contain them. I fill and am not filled, for I am fulness itself. I penetrate and am not penetrated, for I am the power of penetration itself. I contain and am not contained, for I am containing itself. I, who am fulness itself, am not filled, for that would not be worthy of me. I am not penetrated lest I cease to exist, being myself existence. I am not contained lest I cease to be God, who am infinity itself. Behold, do you not see? I pass into everything unmingled, so that I may surpass all; for I am excellence itself. I excel everything without being separate, so that I am also able to enter and permeate at the same time, to enter completely and to make one, being unity itself, through which all things are made and endure, and which all things seek. Why do you despair of finding your father, 0 foolish one? It is not difficult to find the place where I am; for in me are all things, out of me come all things and by me are all things sustained forever and everywhere. And with infinite power I expand through infinite space. Indeed no place can be found where I am not; this very ‘where’ surely exists through me and is called ‘everywhere’. Whatever anyone does anywhere, he does through my guidance and my light. Whatever anyone seeks anywhere, he seeks through my guidance and my light. There is no desiring anywhere, except for the good; there is no finding anywhere, except of the truth. I am all good; I am all truth. Seek my face and you shall live. But do not move in order to touch me, for I am stillness itself. Do not be drawn in ~ many directions in order to take hold of me; I am unity itself. Stop the movement, unify diversity, and you will surely reach me, who long ago reached you. SouL: How quickly you leave me, 0 my comforter! Why do you so suddenly leave your daughter thirsting like this? Go on, say more, continue I beg you, venerable deity. By your divine majesty, if it please you, I pray you speak more plainly. Oh may it please you! And because I know it will, tell me more plainly then what you, who are my father, are not, that I may be restored to life; and, 0 my father, tell me again what you are, so that I may live.' Om sri ram Ken Knight Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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