Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 hariH OM! shrinivas-ji, namaste this is what i've been trying to say on our list for literally years. you have put it so clear and concise, it's worth posting again, as i've done below. OM shaanthi shaanthi shaanthiH regards, frank _______________________________ "sgadkari2001" <sgadkari2001> wrote: > Broadly speaking there are two states of being. > > State0: State of Brahman > State1: State where the illusion of duality is witnessed. > > State0 is the absolute truth. However, for reasons that > will never ever be known, the Being desires to entertain > itself by transiting from State0 into State1. Now it has been > this way for eternity and IT WILL BE THIS WAY FOR ETERNITY. > This game is beginningless and endless. > > Why ? > It is just the nature of this Being to play and keep jumping > between States0 and State1. > > Problem is not in State1 itself. Problem is the helplessness > (apparent bondage) that the Being feels while it is in state1. > > Mukti is simply, the Being reminding itself WHILE IN STATE1 that > it is all its own play. Mukti is simply the Being learning the > rules of the play WHILE IN STATE1 so that it starts enjoying > the play rather than suffering while playing. > > Mukti is NOT transiting into state0 forever. State0 is beyond the > control of State1. As mentioned above, the Being in State0 is an > eternal player and will always transit into state1. There is nothing > that you can do about it. State0 is so great that anything the Being > does in State1, may it be the worst possible act, fails to affect > the State0 even a bit. Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 Namaste Frankji, I am hundred percent with you and Shrinivasji. Shrinivasji's post is the very essence of "poornamatha poornamidam......". However, I would like to add a footnote to Shrinivasji's explanation if that would not rob the simplicity of his expression: "P.S.: It should be understood that State 0 is not a state at all and is beyond all attributes. It is referred to as a state just for facility of explanation.". I have read your post No.7 on this forum and related discussion about Carlos Castaneda's separate reality. I did also refer to that issue in one of my recent posts. Would like to hear more from you on similar subjects with, of course, particuar reference to advaita. Best regards. Madathil Nair _______________ advaitin, f maiello <egodust> wrote: > hariH OM! shrinivas-ji, > namaste > > this is what i've been trying to say on our list for > literally years. you have put it so clear and > concise, it's worth posting again, as i've done below. > > > OM shaanthi shaanthi shaanthiH > > regards, > frank > > _______________________________ > > "sgadkari2001" <sgadkari2001> wrote: > > Broadly speaking there are two states of being. > > > > State0: State of Brahman > > State1: State where the illusion of duality is > witnessed. > > > > State0 is the absolute truth. However, for reasons > that > > will never ever be known, the Being desires to > entertain > > itself by transiting from State0 into State1. Now it > has been > > this way for eternity and IT WILL BE THIS WAY FOR > ETERNITY. > > This game is beginningless and endless. > > > > Why ? > > It is just the nature of this Being to play and keep > jumping > > between States0 and State1. > > > > Problem is not in State1 itself. Problem is the > helplessness > > (apparent bondage) that the Being feels while it is > in state1. > > > > Mukti is simply, the Being reminding itself WHILE IN > STATE1 that > > it is all its own play. Mukti is simply the Being > learning the > > rules of the play WHILE IN STATE1 so that it starts > enjoying > > the play rather than suffering while playing. > > > > Mukti is NOT transiting into state0 forever. State0 > is beyond the > > control of State1. As mentioned above, the Being in > State0 is an > > eternal player and will always transit into state1. > There is nothing > > that you can do about it. State0 is so great that > anything the Being > > does in State1, may it be the worst possible act, > fails to affect > > the State0 even a bit. > > > > Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 hariH OM! madathilnairji, namaste you wrote: > I would like to add a footnote to Shrinivasji's explanation > if that would not rob the simplicity of his expression: > > "P.S.: It should be understood that State 0 is not a state at all and > is beyond all attributes. It is referred to as a state just for > facility of explanation.". yes, i agree emphatically ( and i'm confident srinivas would also agree with this.) this is the essential basis of nirguna brahman. in this regard, in fact, what i especially liked was shrinivasji's terming each "state0" and "state1," viz. the "0" representing the attributeless, thus transcending the concept of "state" implicitly. this is also emblematic of the metaphysical parallel in the mathematics of the binary system, as foundation to all else manifesting in the various permutations in the universe of the leela. the "0" and the "1" found at the base of all the spiritual sciences (comprising the arcane perennial philosophy), from OM MANI PADME HUM to siva-shakthi. > > I have read your post No.7 on this forum and related discussion about > Carlos Castaneda's separate reality. I did also refer to that issue > in one of my recent posts. Would like to hear more from you on > similar subjects with, of course, particuar reference to advaita. yes, i saw your recent post reference to castaneda. i've been inundated with much work of late and havent had the chance to participate on the List as i would like. my workload seems to be easing up, so i'll try to participate more. yes, it's amazing how many paraleles there are between what castaneda represents as the teachings ultimately of the toltecs of yucatan [that his benefactor don juan adopted (at least the bulk of it as far as i can tell)], and advaita (as well as all nondual philosophies found at the esoteric base of all the major religions. peace in OM, frank Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2002 Report Share Posted April 19, 2002 Had posted a reply yesterday but it never appeared on the list. So posting it again... advaitin, f maiello <egodust> wrote: > > hariH OM! madathilnairji, > namaste > > you wrote: > > I would like to add a footnote to Shrinivasji's > explanation > > if that would not rob the simplicity of his > expression: > > > > "P.S.: It should be understood that State 0 is not a > state at all > and > > is beyond all attributes. It is referred to as a > state just for > > facility of explanation.". > > yes, i agree emphatically ( and i'm confident srinivas > would also agree with this.) this is the essential > basis of nirguna brahman. in this regard, in fact, > what i especially liked was shrinivasji's terming each > "state0" and "state1," viz. the "0" representing the > attributeless, thus transcending the concept of > "state" implicitly. this is also emblematic of the > metaphysical parallel in the mathematics of the binary > system, as foundation to all else manifesting in the > various permutations in the universe of the leela. > the "0" and the "1" found at the base of all the > spiritual sciences (comprising the arcane perennial > philosophy), from OM MANI PADME HUM to siva-shakthi. > Namaste FrankJi and MadathilnairJi, Yes I agree with you. Also, I had chosen suffix 0 to denote that State0 has a special status as FrankJI observes. Thanks. Best regards Shrinivas Gadkari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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