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A question on this. When do we say we are in deep sleep?

Is the mind an indicator or a dictator of the avasthA-s?

It seems to me the mind is an indicator only and not a dictator

whereas you seem to be saying that we are guided by the mind

to move from one avasthA to the other.

 

Based on GauDapAda kArika and mAnDUkya upanishad, may be we

should define precisely when we are in deep sleep, when we

are in dream and when we are in wake-up state and what the

defining characteristics of the three avasthA-s are. I have

not formulated that yet fully on paper. May be we both should

do that and compare notes, which may lead to progress in our

understanding.

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Dear Murtiji,and others who may be interested in this thread,

 

It is agreed without any reservation that mind is not a dictator. I do not mean

to say that we are guided by the mind but wish to mention that we have to make

use of the mind in order to appreciate our being in jagrut or swapna awasthas.In

deep sleep awastha,where the mind is actually non- mind,non functional and in

basic ignorance, I should, in that awastha, transcend the mind and be aware that

I exist as MYSELF,as SAT CHIT ANANDA - BRAHMAN .

 

The defining characterestics of the three awasthaas with reference to the mind

have been very nicely explained by Baba Narmade Har through his deciple Shri

Venkatram as follows:

 

All the three awasthas,jagrut,swapna and sushupti are in Brahman and the

jivaatma is called awasthaavan and Brahman as Maayaavi.That means that jivatmas

are made bhranta by maya and therefore they do not know the real and due to

this, suffer.But such is not the case with Brahman.Brahman is always

saawadhaan.Therefore Brahman never comes in the clutches of Maya.Maya is

Brahman's Daasi and jivatma is daasa of Maya.

 

One mahatma has said that Vidya and Avidya are both daasi of the same

Brahman.Sheltering on the same Brahman there is enmity betweenVidya and

Avidya.One covers the real and shows the manifested Universe of several

varaities and generates kama , krodha etc.,by which jivatma gets into temptation

and due to this gets into the 8400000 yonis. The other, Vidya,removes the

covering and shows the real. In Real , there is no duality and owing to this ,

the sthula bodily ahamkara,gradually vanishes and gets sheltered in his own

SELF.

 

By the above statement we come to know that Pragyaanam is shudda Brahman.When it

gets covered by Avidya,that avidya serves all the

purposes.Brahman,Jiva,Maya,objects,lighter,organs, body etc etc. Really speaking

Maya and all the other things are imagined. Therefore no self existance and no

self -knowledge.Therefore it is called praateetika and when this pratitika is

burnt by Vidya -fire it does not leave any sesha.

 

Hai Om!

 

Swaminarayan

 

 

 

 

 

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