Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Hari OM! Narayana Smrithis! Blessed self, There is a question poped up in our Vedanta Study class, Please have your views on this. "If the total mind is there, that we say GOD. Then what we see as an object is an illusion or is it reality. For example: if we see somebody physically, is it our own mind's projection?? Or How we all can see & experience the same thing in the outer world. If we say the waking state is also a dream. Then How we all can see the same thing at the same time, even though our Perceptions are different." With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Dear Krishna Prasad, Let us forget the total mind and God for the time being. These are terminologies which we can avoid now. Our basic problem is that you see an object physically. Understand the object as yourself. The reason is very simple. You are aware of something. You are the "awarer" and that something is the thing that you are aware of, the object of your perception. That something has no validity as an object of awareness without there being an "awarer" and that "awarer" is you. This is in effect sying that you are the thing that you are aware of. You are aware of this whole universe - the earth, planets, stars, galaxies, red shift, Doppler effect, and your ignorance of the limits of the universe. All these are then you yourself and whatever that you happen to know in future are also you yourself. Normally, when people move about identifying themselves with their physical bodies, they are said to have a body sense. They are very careful that their bodies do not rub aginst unpleasant things. When you know that everything known to you is yourself, you are literally having a "universal body sense" and freedom. You don't care what you are rubbing against because there is nothing that you can rub agianst! Then nothing is outside you. You are full. Krishna Prasadji - you are full (They call it "poornam" in Sanskrit.). Don't worry about the other fellow, what his experiences are etc etc. You are aware of him. Hence, he is you and whatever he says is also you. It is you that matters. If the other fellow says that he is seeing the same thing as you are seeing, then know that you are aware "that he is is seeing the same thing that you are seeing". What I have apostrophized effectively becomes an object of your perception and then it is is you! Please don't differentiate between what you see "actually" (note the apostrophies) and the dream state. You are aware of both. And, hence, your status as the "awarer" is all that matters. Waking reality and dreams are objects of your awareness and hence yourself. Just know that you are full and enjoy the roller-coaster ride through this "reality" and "dreams". Call your ishtadevata (whatever or whoever it is - Christ, Mohammad, Krishna, or the Devi!) and chant His/Her praise en route. You will be taken care of by Lord Krishana, Krishna Prasadji. Your own brother in Advaita, Madathil Nair ______________________ advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote: > Hari OM! Narayana Smrithis! > > Blessed self, > > There is a question poped up in our Vedanta Study class, Please have > your views on this. > > "If the total mind is there, that we say GOD. Then what we see as an > object is an illusion or is it reality. > > For example: if we see somebody physically, is it our own mind's > projection?? > > Or How we all can see & experience the same thing in the outer world. > > If we say the waking state is also a dream. Then How we all can see > the same thing at the same time, even though our Perceptions are > different." > > With Love & OM! > > Krishna Prasad > > > > > Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Krishna Prasadji, namaste Some years back, in 1999 (I think it was August or September) this list had a series of postings on the subject 'Who is dreaming?'. I strongly recommend you to go back to those posts. I think the questions, such as yours, arising from our intellect, are discussed there. pranAms to all advaitins. profvk ===== Prof. V. Krishnamurthy My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/ You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site. Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Namasteji If I am understanding your question right, what you are asking is whether Vedanta supports (1) drshti-srshti (I am therefore the creation exists) or (2) srshti-drshti (the creation exists therefore I see it)? I believe there has been a elaborate discussion on this topic before in this list. I have also been perplexed by this question. Some Vedantins hold that srshti-drshti is the Vedantic standpoint and some others hold that srshti-drshti as the only possibility. Actually I feel both viewpoints are correct. Only in vyavaharika do we take the srshti-drshti standpoint as valid. Because in Vyavaharika there is a recognition of Ishwara, who has created this world and sustaining it as well. But in Paramarthika I am indeed Brahman or even Ishwara. Therefore, there is nothing other than my Self. This paramarthik vision is drshti-srshti. This is how I have learnt from my teacher to reconcile the two seemingly deffering standpoints. here is a verse from the Vivekachudamani to support the paramarthika viewpoint: 'I am Brahma, I am Vishnu, I am Indra,I am Shiva. All this I am. There is nothing except my Self' Verse 388. > > Krishna Prasad [sMTP:rkrishp99] > Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:11 AM > advaitin > Total Mind & Reality > > Hari OM! Narayana Smrithis! > > Blessed self, > > There is a question poped up in our Vedanta Study class, Please have > your views on this. > > "If the total mind is there, that we say GOD. Then what we see as an > object is an illusion or is it reality. > > For example: if we see somebody physically, is it our own mind's > projection?? > > Or How we all can see & experience the same thing in the outer world. > > If we say the waking state is also a dream. Then How we all can see > the same thing at the same time, even though our Perceptions are > different." > > With Love & OM! > > Krishna Prasad > > > > > Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games./ > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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