Question about :Realization in Advaita

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advaitin, "madathilnair" <madathilnair> wrote:

> Namaste Atagrasinji,

>

> I am afraid there is a big communication gap between us.

>

> You are referring to "a deepening of undestanding and a

continuanace

> of deliverance". Thus, you have accepted that advancement occurs >

need for "reading of immortal works and spiritual practices" and,

> therefore, not saying anything different from what I stated in my

> post?

HI Friend:Yes for some spiritual aspirants spiritual reading and

spiritual practices are necessary.Anything that happens in the

present moment is necessary.So if you are doing maditation continue

with the meditations.Spiritual practices may be necessary in

particular cases.But for some aspirants at the "higher" spiritual

level,it is sufficient for the guru to explain that the self alone

exists,here and now ,all the time.All that is necessary for the self

to be experienced is for the notion of the not-Self,the illusory

individual entity wich acts like an eclipse on the self,to be

erased.At this higher level,as the ground is already prepared,the

question of concious effort cannot arise.There is no question of

effort because the understanding is that there is no "one" to make

any effort.As I posted before there are few aspirants at any one time

ready to receive the guru's intruction like a spark for

gunpowder,there is a very large number of aspirants who are like wet

coal and would therefore need considerable preliminar preparation .As

you see there is not a communication gap betwen us.Only that you are

talking about the like "wet coal" aspirant and I posted about the

like "spark gunpowder" aspirants.Regards atagrasin

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Namaste Atagrasinji,

 

Thanks for your clarification. I got it.

 

By the gunpowder group, you have great men like Nisargadatta Maharaj

in mind. (Incidentally, my wet charcoal mind notices that if your

name is reversed it reads Nisargata! Nisarga means spontaneous!).

 

Then the charcoals are the spiritual bourgeoisie and the wet

charcoals the proletariat. From the amount of efforts that I am

taking, I should imagine that I belong to yet another fourth group -

the charcoals eternally immersed in water, the spiritual downtrodden

and untoucables.

 

Best regards.

 

Madathil Nair

 

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advaitin, "atagrasin" <k1c2@h...> wrote:

> HI Friend:Yes for some spiritual aspirants spiritual reading and

> spiritual practices are necessary.Anything that happens in the

> present moment is necessary.So if you are doing maditation continue

> with the meditations.Spiritual practices may be necessary in

> particular cases.But for some aspirants at the "higher" spiritual

> level,it is sufficient for the guru to explain that the self alone

> exists,here and now ,all the time.All that is necessary for the

self

> to be experienced is for the notion of the not-Self,the illusory

> individual entity wich acts like an eclipse on the self,to be

> erased.At this higher level,as the ground is already prepared,the

> question of concious effort cannot arise.There is no question of

> effort because the understanding is that there is no "one" to make

> any effort.As I posted before there are few aspirants at any one

time

> ready to receive the guru's intruction like a spark for

> gunpowder,there is a very large number of aspirants who are like

wet

> coal and would therefore need considerable preliminar

preparation .As

> you see there is not a communication gap betwen us.Only that you

are

> talking about the like "wet coal" aspirant and I posted about the

> like "spark gunpowder" aspirants.Regards atagrasin

[Guest guest]

Namaste

> By the gunpowder group, you have great men like Nisargadatta

Maharaj

> in mind. (Incidentally, my wet charcoal mind notices that if your

> name is reversed it reads Nisargata! Nisarga means spontaneous!).

>

Interesting point. In this context, you may find it interesting to

read Sri Nisargadatta's own account related in an earlier post. Also

in the same post, a reference to the pure camphor class (Sri Ramana

Maharishi) by the great Acharya of Sringeri:

http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m12905.html

 

> Then the charcoals are the spiritual bourgeoisie and the wet

> charcoals the proletariat. From the amount of efforts that I am

> taking, I should imagine that I belong to yet another fourth group -

> the charcoals eternally immersed in water, the spiritual

downtrodden

> and untoucables.

>

You can add me also to this group! I admire your humility, Shri

Nairji.

 

However we have to be careful here and not assign someone to the

gunpowder or the camphor (karpuram in tamil) category just because

they make a few noises to that effect.

 

Shri Nisargadatta or anyone else who truly belongs to the gunpowder

or camphor category will never stick their hands up and claim they

are of the 'gunpowder' class.

 

regards

Sundar Rajan