Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Further to an earlier exchange with Brad and others about Suffering, Maya and Leela; the following response has come to us from a monk of the Ramakrishna order. We share this message with the list. jay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Jay, I was searching one file and I happened to see your two <emails> enclosed. Please tell Brad to write a story. To write an interesting story he himself will surely conceive at least one negative and one positive character - generally named as Hero and villain. Then ask ‘why has he conceived a negative character (a villain) in his story when he is averse to negative ideas’? His villain will be as intelligent as he is and if the story is effective one, the suffering the villain is causing will be also harsher one which hero will overcome and ultimately will be glorified. If he answers - "I have written it out of fun" - then it is near Lila theory. (He will corroborate the Lila theory also when he admits that he likes to see the movies which have much struggles by the hero and ultimately hero wins. He enjoys most where hero knows almost everything and can overcome everything. Ask him why he enjoys hard fought football match where he wants his party to win inflicting sorrow to the opponent). Still by Lila theory the suffering is not explained properly. The psychic mechanism in this case is that when we conceive or see we always do it in duality (in contrast) though I, the conceiver/seer, am always non-dual. We can not see picture, which is all white on a white paper. One party football game is not possible. The whole world is being seen by me, the seer, within me as all perception is happening within me according to the medical science. Secondly, according to it, if we see red rose the red colour of the rose is reflected one and perceived. In that case what is the real colour which that rose possesses? Again the image is inverted, how it is being reverted again if at all it is being done? Therefore, I am only perceiving the world and its’ suffering as also projecting and imagining it outward to enjoy it as it were (Suffering also is one type of enjoyment (rasa) and all enjoyment is suffering to the discriminating soul). Thus the whole world we conceive on the reality- the Self- is a seeming world, an apparent reality, a projected reality. In Swamijis (Swami Vivekananda) words Maya is 'statement of fact'. The reality is the Atman and world is its statement as it were, where statement is not exact reality though we imagine so. That is Maya explanation. We see and experience seeming suffering due to our seeming attachment to our body mind complex out of ignorance (Avidya or Maya). And since the rationality is also in the domain of Maya - apparent reality, it can not explain Maya or suffering. It is like the villain of the story who can not answer the question why he came to existence or you can not ask in your dream why you are dreaming. Maya is also called avidya (not known properly) then how one can know the Reality through it. Suffering cleanses the Mirror of our heart or it can be said that it teaches us to look inward. We need to know this art of inward looking to realise our true original nature or see God who is within us. With best wishes and namaskars, Swami Chandrashekharananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2002 Report Share Posted April 27, 2002 Namaste. Can either Swami Chandrashekharanandaji or any one among us please explain the statement quoted below. I cannot quite understand the logic, particularly the reference to medical science. That is why this request. Pranams. Madathil Nair __________________ advaitin, "Vivekananda Centre" <vivekananda@b...> wrote: (Excerpted from message sent by Swami Chandrashekharanandaji to Shri Jay:) "The whole world is being seen by me, the seer, within me > as all perception is happening within me according to the > medical science. Secondly, according to it, if we see red rose > the red colour of the rose is reflected one and perceived. In that > case what is the real colour which that rose possesses? Again > the image is inverted, how it is being reverted again if at all it > is being done?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2002 Report Share Posted April 30, 2002 Namaste Madathilji, Science has never attempted to understand the fundementals of how we see, hear or smell, taste etc. Science only explains the concept of how the senses function and not the concept of seeing itself. In this perspective, modern science is sheer lunacy. It attempts to analyze the universe without looking at the concept of analysis itself. Some of the western philosphers like Kant had pointed this out. The concept that Sri Chandrasekharanandaji Maharaj was bringing out, I think, is to this question as to "How do we actually see something". The so called science tells us that light reflected from a rose passes through our Iris and impinges on the retina. It then excites the Optic nerves which carry electrical impulses to the brain and a picture of the image is de-composed from the electrical signal by the brain. But this only explains the function of the senses. It does not say how a 3 dimensional vison is created. The fact is that the screen cannot see. Therefore the brain, which is the reciever cannot percieve. There has to be a seer who sees. That is where Vedanta begins. Who is the seer? Who is the perceiver behind all sense perceptions? Unfortunately modern scientists with all their "greatness" ignored this fundemental aspect. However our Vedic Seers emphasised that you can ignore the seen but do not ignore the seer. Regards, Anand > Namaste. > > Can either Swami Chandrashekharanandaji or any one > among us please > explain the statement quoted below. I cannot quite > understand the > logic, particularly the reference to medical > science. That is why > this request. > > Pranams. > > Madathil Nair > __________________ > > advaitin, "Vivekananda Centre" > <vivekananda@b...> wrote: > > (Excerpted from message sent by Swami > Chandrashekharanandaji to Shri > Jay:) > > > "The whole world is being seen by me, the seer, > within me > > as all perception is happening within me according > to the > > medical science. Secondly, according to it, if we > see red rose > > the red colour of the rose is reflected one and > perceived. In that > > case what is the real colour which that rose > possesses? Again > > the image is inverted, how it is being reverted > again if at all it > > is being done?" > > Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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