Suruppak's NeRi-2 (English)

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Suruppak's NeRi

 

2.

 

Let us reflect a bit on some key words from this text most probably the most

ancient literary text in the world coming from the beginnings of the 3rd

Millennium BCC and which was committed to writing around 2500 B.C. itself. What

surprises anyone who would take the trouble to ponder over the meanings of some

words there is the presence of immensely sophisticated cosmological views

present in the first few lines and all articulated in words that stand as good

Tamil even to this day.

 

We have u-ri-a where Ta. u as demonstrative means 'yonder", the "up-paluppar'

'umbar' etc. It has also given us 'uur' 'uyar' 'uti' (to emerge, rise up, move)

and such verbal forms. As nouns we have 'uL' 'oL' ( light, to be, to exist,

real etc.) We have also the Su. ur as in 'an-ur-as-a" where 'ur' means the

world.

 

Parallel to this is another variant, 'mu-ri-a" where 'mu' has the Tamil

versions Ta. mUu, muLai ( to move, emerge) and from which are derived Su. mus:

to move away, travel, to protrude etc. corresponding to which we have Ta. muucu,

muukku, mukam etc. There is a term as a name in CaGkam classics, Ta. mooci and

this may mean the traveler, the yaatrika, the mendicant.

 

The meaning is clear: u-ri-a and mu-ri-a mean the same : the bursting forth of

FIRE or molten rocks violating the Darkness that prevailed ( gi-ri-a). Thus we

have quite unmistakably what is now known in astrophysics as the Big Bang

Theory of the origins of the Universe.

 

The word bad-du which exists even now as Ta. paNdu, the ancient also has given a

number of words related to the above cosmological views. We have Ta. badivam ,

vadivu, vadivam all meanings 'shape' 'structural forms " etc. Thus the word for

'ancient times", paNdu (<bad-du) is again derived from the notion of the shaping

of the universe, the emergence of world violating the Darkness inside which it

was resident and hence unmanifest.

 

Note: The English words 'move ' ( Su. mu Ta. muLai) , fire, Gk helious ( Su.

ri, Ta. eri Ak ellu Ta. el, ellu) world ( Su. ur, uru Ta. uur, uuru), origin (

Su. u-ri-a, Ta. uru, uRu) heaven (Su. an, Ta. vaan) hour Gk horas ( Su. ur Ta.

oorai, uvaa) found-a-tion ( Su. bad-du , Ta. paNdu) and so forth are

surprisingly similar in morphology and meanings. How is this possible?

 

 

With these observations in our mind, let us move on to the next few lines.

 

The NeRi of Suruppak

 

 

6. suruppak-e dumu-ni-ra na na-mu-un-ri-ri ( Suruppak gave instructions to his

son)

 

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7. suruppak dumu ubartu.tu-ke

 

8 zi.u.sud-ra dumu-ni-ra na na-mu-un-ri-ri ( Suruppak, son of Ubartutu, gave

instructions to his son Ziusudra)

 

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9. dumu-mu na ga-ri na-ri-mu he-dab ( My son, let me give you inîtruction, may

you take my instructions!0

 

¾Ó§Á¡ ¿ý ¸¨Ã ¦¿È¢§Á¡ ²ö¾Ò ( My son! don't neglect the well meaning words I

utter)

 

10. zi.u.sud.ra inim ga-ra-ab-dug gizzal he-em-si-ak ( Ziusudra, let me speak a

word to you, may you pay attention to it!)

 

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Lexical Notes:

 

6. Suruppak-e : suruppak < sulu-pakku : the suulam or spear that is sharp. The

word 'paaku' is comparable with Malay paakku; a sharp nail. It can derived from

Ta. paku ; to cut, split etc. and paakku, pakku that which cuts splits etc. and

derivatively something sharp, pointed and so forth. The "-e' is the Ta. ee-karam

that isolates the named object as the subject, the Pirinilai eekaaram or

TeeRra eekaaram.

 

na na> Ta. nana , nala, nalla: that which is good, edifying etc.

 

mu-un-ri-ri> Ta.mun uri uri> declared etc. The mun here (ta. mun: before, in

front etc.) may be a preposition indicating the past. Su. ur: to utter, ri, uri>

ta. urai: to tell , speak etc.

 

7. dumu ubartu.tu-ke> tamu ubartuutukkee

 

Here case marker -ke is the Tamil '-ku-e' where -ku is the case marker

indicating possessive relationships but only between human beings e.g.

kantanukku manaivi: wife to Kantan.

 

The 'dumu' as son or offspring is retained in such words as tam-akkai : elder

sister, tam-aiyan: elder brother. Perhaps also dumu> tamu> tambu, tambi:

younger brother or just anyone who is young.

 

The word 'tamiz' is derivable from this root as well: dumu-ji> tamu-ji> tamu-zi>

tamuzi, tamuz :great son or great people. Another line derivation dam-uzu> (to

have sexual union with a spouse), tamuz: married life, sexual happiness.

 

ubartu.tu> uppartuutu: words from the heavens, mystical utterances that emerge

from some unknown depths.

 

8. zi.u-sud-ra > jiivasuuttiran: Someone who lives long.

 

Su. su-du Ta. cuudu : the peak, the top extremity ; > Ta. koodu: the peak, the

horns, the tree branches etc.

 

Su ra =ri-a Telugu raa: to come forth. Ta. varu. maru marabu etc., Malay; maari:

to come. Thus sud-ra< sudu-ra: someone, something that comes from the top, from

the peak.

 

Now ta. cuudu also means heat and hence sudu-ra can also mean something or

someone coming from molten rocks , or something hot, intense heat etc.

 

zi.u= ji.u> Ta jiivu, ciivu > jiiva, ciivan: the life force, the animating

entity, that which lives.

 

9. ga-ri> Ta. kari, kali > Ta. karai: (to call out, cry , to speak loudly etc.)

 

na.ri> Ta. neRi ; the right and proper WAY. naRi> nati: river -- that which

flows in an orderly manner. The word NeRi is still in use for describing texts

are ethical in substance ; e.g. NanNeRi etc.

 

he-dab> Ta. ee tabu. tabu> tambu : to arrest from moving. Ta. tabu> tavam: to

control self, to practice penance.

 

tambu> Ta. tambanam ; to arrest breathing; tambu > Ta. tambam: a pillar that

stands unmoving; stays put.

 

10. gizzal> Ta. kiiccal : to shriek, to shout etc.

 

he-em-si-ak> iim cii aaku> iim aakki-cii> iim aakkIi?

 

( to continue) 2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste

 

Very interesting interpretations. But what does this got to do with Advaita

or moksha? Regards.

>

> Dr.K.Loganathan [sMTP:subas]

> Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:56 PM

> IndianCivilization

> Cc: Indictradtions ; advaitin;

> WaveS-Vedic

> Suruppak's NeRi-2 (English)

>

> Suruppak's NeRi

>

> 2.

>

> Let us reflect a bit on some key words from this text most probably the

> most ancient literary text in the world coming from the beginnings of the

> 3rd Millennium BCC and which was committed to writing around 2500 B.C.

> itself. What surprises anyone who would take the trouble to ponder over

> the meanings of some words there is the presence of immensely

> sophisticated cosmological views present in the first few lines and all

> articulated in words that stand as good Tamil even to this day.

>

> We have u-ri-a where Ta. u as demonstrative means 'yonder", the "up-pal"

> "uppar' 'umbar' etc. It has also given us 'uur' 'uyar' 'uti' (to emerge,

> rise up, move) and such verbal forms. As nouns we have 'uL' 'oL' ( light,

> to be, to exist, real etc.) We have also the Su. ur as in 'an-ur-as-a"

> where 'ur' means the world.

>

> Parallel to this is another variant, 'mu-ri-a" where 'mu' has the Tamil

> versions Ta. mUu, muLai ( to move, emerge) and from which are derived Su.

> mus: to move away, travel, to protrude etc. corresponding to which we have

> Ta. muucu, muukku, mukam etc. There is a term as a name in CaGkam

> classics, Ta. mooci and this may mean the traveler, the yaatrika, the

> mendicant.

>

> The meaning is clear: u-ri-a and mu-ri-a mean the same : the bursting

> forth of FIRE or molten rocks violating the Darkness that prevailed (

> gi-ri-a). Thus we have quite unmistakably what is now known in

> astrophysics as the Big Bang Theory of the origins of the Universe.

>

> The word bad-du which exists even now as Ta. paNdu, the ancient also has

> given a number of words related to the above cosmological views. We have

> Ta. badivam , vadivu, vadivam all meanings 'shape' 'structural forms "

> etc. Thus the word for 'ancient times", paNdu (<bad-du) is again derived

> from the notion of the shaping of the universe, the emergence of world

> violating the Darkness inside which it was resident and hence unmanifest.

>

> Note: The English words 'move ' ( Su. mu Ta. muLai) , fire, Gk helious (

> Su. ri, Ta. eri Ak ellu Ta. el, ellu) world ( Su. ur, uru Ta. uur, uuru),

> origin ( Su. u-ri-a, Ta. uru, uRu) heaven (Su. an, Ta. vaan) hour Gk

> horas ( Su. ur Ta. oorai, uvaa) found-a-tion ( Su. bad-du , Ta. paNdu) and

> so forth are surprisingly similar in morphology and meanings. How is this

> possible?

>

>

> With these observations in our mind, let us move on to the next few lines.

>

> The NeRi of Suruppak

>

>

> 6. suruppak-e dumu-ni-ra na na-mu-un-ri-ri ( Suruppak gave instructions

> to his son)

>

> ÝÕôÀ¡ì§¸ ¾Ó¿£(ý)È ¿É(õ) Óý ¯Ã¢-¯Ã¢

>

> 7. suruppak dumu ubartu.tu-ke

>

> 8 zi.u.sud-ra dumu-ni-ra na na-mu-un-ri-ri ( Suruppak, son of Ubartutu,

> gave instructions to his son Ziusudra)

>

> ÝÕôÀ¡ìÌ ¾Ó ¯À÷àÐ째

>

> f£ÅÝò¾¢Ã¡ ¾Ó ¿£(ý)È ¿É(õ) Óý ¯Ã¢ ¯Ã¢

>

> 9. dumu-mu na ga-ri na-ri-mu he-dab ( My son, let me give you inîtruction,

> may you take my instructions!0

>

> ¾Ó§Á¡ ¿ý ¸¨Ã ¦¿È¢§Á¡ ²ö¾Ò ( My son! don't neglect the well meaning words I

> utter)

>

> 10. zi.u.sud.ra inim ga-ra-ab-dug gizzal he-em-si-ak ( Ziusudra, let me

> speak a word to you, may you pay attention to it!)

>

> f£ÔÝò¾¢Ã¡ ±Éõ ¹¡(ý)È «ùàìÌ ¸£îºø ţ¢õ º£ ¬ìÌ

>

> Lexical Notes:

>

> 6. Suruppak-e : suruppak < sulu-pakku : the suulam or spear that is sharp.

> The word 'paaku' is comparable with Malay paakku; a sharp nail. It can

> derived from Ta. paku ; to cut, split etc. and paakku, pakku that which

> cuts splits etc. and derivatively something sharp, pointed and so forth.

> The "-e' is the Ta. ee-karam that isolates the named object as the

> subject, the Pirinilai eekaaram or TeeRra eekaaram.

>

> na na> Ta. nana , nala, nalla: that which is good, edifying etc.

>

> mu-un-ri-ri> Ta.mun uri uri> declared etc. The mun here (ta. mun: before,

> in front etc.) may be a preposition indicating the past. Su. ur: to utter,

> ri, uri> ta. urai: to tell , speak etc.

>

> 7. dumu ubartu.tu-ke> tamu ubartuutukkee

>

> Here case marker -ke is the Tamil '-ku-e' where -ku is the case marker

> indicating possessive relationships but only between human beings e.g.

> kantanukku manaivi: wife to Kantan.

>

> The 'dumu' as son or offspring is retained in such words as tam-akkai :

> elder sister, tam-aiyan: elder brother. Perhaps also dumu> tamu> tambu,

> tambi: younger brother or just anyone who is young.

>

> The word 'tamiz' is derivable from this root as well: dumu-ji> tamu-ji>

> tamu-zi> tamuzi, tamuz :great son or great people. Another line derivation

> dam-uzu> (to have sexual union with a spouse), tamuz: married life,

> sexual happiness.

>

> ubartu.tu> uppartuutu: words from the heavens, mystical utterances that

> emerge from some unknown depths.

>

> 8. zi.u-sud-ra > jiivasuuttiran: Someone who lives long.

>

> Su. su-du Ta. cuudu : the peak, the top extremity ; > Ta. koodu: the peak,

> the horns, the tree branches etc.

>

> Su ra =ri-a Telugu raa: to come forth. Ta. varu. maru marabu etc., Malay;

> maari: to come. Thus sud-ra< sudu-ra: someone, something that comes from

> the top, from the peak.

>

> Now ta. cuudu also means heat and hence sudu-ra can also mean something or

> someone coming from molten rocks , or something hot, intense heat etc.

>

> zi.u= ji.u> Ta jiivu, ciivu > jiiva, ciivan: the life force, the animating

> entity, that which lives.

>

> 9. ga-ri> Ta. kari, kali > Ta. karai: (to call out, cry , to speak loudly

> etc.)

>

> na.ri> Ta. neRi ; the right and proper WAY. naRi> nati: river -- that

> which flows in an orderly manner. The word NeRi is still in use for

> describing texts are ethical in substance ; e.g. NanNeRi etc.

>

> he-dab> Ta. ee tabu. tabu> tambu : to arrest from moving. Ta. tabu> tavam:

> to control self, to practice penance.

>

> tambu> Ta. tambanam ; to arrest breathing; tambu > Ta. tambam: a pillar

> that stands unmoving; stays put.

>

> 10. gizzal> Ta. kiiccal : to shriek, to shout etc.

>

> he-em-si-ak> iim cii aaku> iim aakki-cii> iim aakkIi?

>

> ( to continue) 2

>

>

>

>

=======================================================

> Dear friends! You are most welcome to visit the following websites I

> maintain:

>

> For World Saivism :

> http://ulagan.tripod.com/index.htm

> For Dravidian Philosophy:

> http://loga.tripod.com/tindex.htm

> For Agamic Psychology :

> http://ulagank.tripod.com/agapsyindex.htm

> For ArutkuRaL studies:

> http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/index.html

> For studies of Tamil Sacred scriptures in

> English:

> http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/tmcampus/tmc-open.html

> For SumeroTamil and related studies:

> http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/sumstudies/sumcampus.html

>

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Dear Kathirrasan

 

I hope to point out later that such ideas have  ogt into Rig Veda as well.

Please wait for my

further studies of Rig Veda as Archaic Tamil. What transpires now as Vedic and

Vedantic may be

more ancient than that and offshoots of Agamism, the centered Hinduism.

 

Loga

 

 

 

K Kathirasan NCS wrote:

> Namaste

>

> Very interesting interpretations. But what does this got to do with Advaita

> or moksha? Regards.

>

> >

> > Dr.K.Loganathan [sMTP:subas]

> > Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:56 PM

> > To:   IndianCivilization

> > Cc:   Indictradtions ; advaitin;

> > WaveS-Vedic

> > Subject:      Suruppak's NeRi-2 (English)

> >

> > Suruppak's NeRi

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advaitin, "Dr. K. Loganathan" <subas@p...> wrote:

> Dear Kathirrasan

>

> I hope to point out later that such ideas have  ogt into Rig Veda as

well. Please wait for my

> further studies of Rig Veda as Archaic Tamil. What transpires now as

Vedic and Vedantic may be

> more ancient than that and offshoots of Agamism, the centered

Hinduism.

>

> Loga

>  

>  

>

> K Kathirasan NCS wrote:

>

> > Namaste

> >

> > Very interesting interpretations. But what does this got to do

with Advaita

> > or moksha? Regards.