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Psychology and Metaphysics 11

 

 

The Human Sciences as Hermeneutic Sciences

 

We have noted that genuine psychology can be practiced only as Hermeneutic

Science and whichis a science concerned with the SEEING. This is Human

Science and has been the central feature of what transpires as the Yoga

Sciences in India and has been there from the Sumerian times. It includes the

positivistic or the MATHETICAL within one of the ways of seeing viz. the

physicalistic and only with data that is made available through the senses. This

is one of my possibilities for SEEING and when I get trapped within it , I

become a NATURAL SCIENTIST where my self is made to be the Purely Observer Self

and hence simulataneously BLIND to my other essences. The advantage is that all

those who assume the posture of this

Observer Self, by virtue of that become OBJECTIVE in the sense that they allow

only the FACTS determine their propositions and hence allow the possibility of

being cross checked by others. They allow by virtue of this intersubjective

confirmation of refutation and hence thereby science that avoids the intrusions

of the various prejudices of the self.

 

However when I range upon all my possibilities -- that I can be prejudiced,

very racial and irrational, megalomaniac, seeking to convert others to my way

and thus enslave others, indulge in ego-inflation exercises in which I propose

Aryanism and twist and turn every historical fact to show the Aryan superiority

, become intoxicated with a certain scripture and assert that it contains the

TRUTH and hence all should SUBMIT to it or made to submit to it with threat of

death and so forth, we begin to see that the SELF can be more that the Pure

Observer Self. When we ponder at all these possibilities the self is capable of

then it dawns that the

TRUE SELF is in fact something different from all these manifest selves and that

is what I want to be, am in fact. And with this begins another kind of existence

for me : my SEEING has become Hermeneutic where the different ways of my Being

in the world becomes the TEXT that I read to understand it. This self as a TEXT

is the founding notion of the study of myself in a scientific way in which I am

OBJECTIVE in a different sense and in which I discover my essential ethicality.

 

TEXT Duality of Structure and Ethics

 

My self as TEXT has a duality of structure -- the Phenomenal Self that assumes

the various ways of Being-in-the -World and which constitutes the EXISTENCE, and

Deeper Self that remains my essence and which is quite often in conflict with

the phenomenal presentations. My self as a TEXT has the Surface Structure that

is the manifest self and Deep Structure that's the Umanifest and perhaps the

IDEAL Self. Really I don't want to be a fanatic, a racialist, the

ideologically intoxicated and mad, one who indulges forever in self adulations,

pretend to be a messiah, cheat the world as the god-man by adorning with

Saffron robes and other paraphernalia and so on and on. Thus I notice that there

is an INNER CONFLICT between my so many manifest selves and my TRUE SELF and all

these as naturally occurring within an inner dynamics that prevails within

myself. I am in inner conflict not because of some Sadguru or Messiah or

Scripture and so forth but because that is how I am configured to be in the

world.

 

In other words I notice that I am ETHICAL, there is a MORAL dimension to my

EXISTENCE. In every praxis of my daily life in which I realize one of my

possibilities for Being-in-the-World I am assailed as if from nowhere by this

ethical sense. After effecting an action - setting to fire a row of Islamic

shops or Hindu temples or Protestant churches, bombing the Shiah mosque and

killing many including children , or invading another country in defence of my

religion, or ideology -- I sit back and reflect on what I have done. When I am

able to see them as BEASTLY, as Supremely Criminal, totally in inhuman etc. I

become another Asoka --

I give up those ways of Being and with great remorse REPENT and REPENT spending

the rest my life to undo all the EVILS I have done.

 

This is an interesting phase of my development, a conversion of a kind. For I

notice that I am essentially ETHICAL -- there is an INNER SELF that wants to do

only the PuNNiyam, the essentially ethical and avoid the Paavam, the evil and

ignoble. This Evil Prone Self is polluted, dirty, despicable, ignorant , impure,

lowly etc. etc. and that my ESSENCE is NOT these at all. My essence is PURITY,

the Suddham and NOT the Asuddham, Nimalam and NOT Malam.

 

But how is that I am ethical?

 

Certainly not because someone taught me or I belong to a religious group, follow

the ways of the Almighty Sankaracarya, the Jagadguru, or execute my praxis as

the Karma Yogi in accordance with Gita or have memorized the aphorisms of the

immortal VaLLuvar and what not. All these become relevant only because I am

ALREADY ethical, and in that tend to AVOID the evil and execute only the Good.

This is what I AM already, this essence of myself belongs to my PRESENCE in the

world

 

My Hermeneutic way of seeing has unfolded a puzzle about me. I am essentially

ethical and that because nobody in the world has taught me to be so. It is a

competence I have just like the linguistic competence, a potentiality, to

discriminate the RIGHT from the WRONG , avoid the wrong and persist only in the

right and the good. Of course there are hundreds and thousands of nonaverage

individuals who would seize upon this competence I have and TRAP me into what

they see as the Good , the evil etc. They have their OWN INTERPRETATIONS and

they pretending to be walking gods want to enslave me into their ethical value

systems and follow them unquestioningly. These value systems are God given they

say, and so do not

transgress they admonish.

 

Sometimes such as advise is meant well especially for the intellectually weak.

At the absence of the mental ability to look at self as a TEXT and SEE the DEEP

SELF within that is PURE etc., perhaps such an advise is the best but only as

heuristics. But when this whole attitude is extended to ALL and through that

SUFFOCATE free inquiry then it becomes UNETHICAL in itself and hence something

that gets opposed or something that OUGHT to be opposed at whatever cost.

 

I find myself to be such a rebellious individual , one who cannot be imprisoned

into a set of value systems promulgated as God given as in the Vedas, Bible

Alkoran and so forth. I am ethical NOT because of these books but because that's

my essence.

 

But why this essence? In my presence in the world why am I DUAL, Suddham and

Asuddham?

 

We shall take it up next.

 

( to continue) 11

 

 

 

 

 

=======================================================

Dear friends! You are most welcome to visit the following websites I maintain:

 

For World Saivism : http://ulagan.tripod.com/index.htm

For Dravidian Philosophy: http://loga.tripod.com/tindex.htm

For Agamic Psychology :

http://ulagank.tripod.com/agapsyindex.htm

For ArutkuRaL studies:

http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/index.html

For studies of Tamil Sacred scriptures in

English: http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/tmcampus/tmc-open.html

For SumeroTamil and related studies:

http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/sumstudies/sumcampus.html

=======================================================

 

 

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Vanakkam Dr Loga

 

Thanks for the interesting presentation. I agree with you that we don't need

scriptures to determine Ethics.

 

Just wanted to tell you that I am reading all your posts and looking forward

to your next post. I hope to see more Advaita or Vedanta related information

in it. Thank you sir.

 

Kathi

>

> Dr.K.Loganathan [sMTP:subas]

> Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:45 AM

> akandabaratam

> Cc: IndianCivilization ; WaveS-Vedic ;

> agamicpsychology ; advaitin

> Psychology and Metaphysics-11

>

> Psychology and Metaphysics 11

>

>

> The Human Sciences as Hermeneutic Sciences

>

> We have noted that genuine psychology can be practiced only as Hermeneutic

> Science and whichis a science concerned with the SEEING. This is Human

> Science and has been the central feature of what transpires as the Yoga

> Sciences in India and has been there from the Sumerian times. It includes

> the positivistic or the MATHETICAL within one of the ways of seeing viz.

> the physicalistic and only with data that is made available through the

> senses. This is one of my possibilities for SEEING and when I get trapped

> within it , I become a NATURAL SCIENTIST where my self is made to be the

> Purely Observer Self and hence simulataneously BLIND to my other

> essences. The advantage is that all those who assume the posture of this

> Observer Self, by virtue of that become OBJECTIVE in the sense that they

> allow only the FACTS determine their propositions and hence allow the

> possibility of being cross checked by others. They allow by virtue of this

> intersubjective confirmation of refutation and hence thereby science that

> avoids the intrusions of the various prejudices of the self.

>

> However when I range upon all my possibilities -- that I can be

> prejudiced, very racial and irrational, megalomaniac, seeking to convert

> others to my way and thus enslave others, indulge in ego-inflation

> exercises in which I propose Aryanism and twist and turn every historical

> fact to show the Aryan superiority , become intoxicated with a certain

> scripture and assert that it contains the TRUTH and hence all should

> SUBMIT to it or made to submit to it with threat of death and so forth, we

> begin to see that the SELF can be more that the Pure Observer Self. When

> we ponder at all these possibilities the self is capable of then it dawns

> that the

> TRUE SELF is in fact something different from all these manifest selves

> and that is what I want to be, am in fact. And with this begins another

> kind of existence for me : my SEEING has become Hermeneutic where the

> different ways of my Being in the world becomes the TEXT that I read to

> understand it. This self as a TEXT is the founding notion of the study of

> myself in a scientific way in which I am OBJECTIVE in a different sense

> and in which I discover my essential ethicality.

>

> TEXT Duality of Structure and Ethics

>

> My self as TEXT has a duality of structure -- the Phenomenal Self that

> assumes the various ways of Being-in-the -World and which constitutes the

> EXISTENCE, and Deeper Self that remains my essence and which is quite

> often in conflict with the phenomenal presentations. My self as a TEXT has

> the Surface Structure that is the manifest self and Deep Structure that's

> the Umanifest and perhaps the IDEAL Self. Really I don't want to be a

> fanatic, a racialist, the ideologically intoxicated and mad, one who

> indulges forever in self adulations, pretend to be a messiah, cheat the

> world as the god-man by adorning with Saffron robes and other

> paraphernalia and so on and on. Thus I notice that there is an INNER

> CONFLICT between my so many manifest selves and my TRUE SELF and all these

> as naturally occurring within an inner dynamics that prevails within

> myself. I am in inner conflict not because of some Sadguru or Messiah or

> Scripture and so forth but because that is how I am configure!

> d to be in the world.

>

> In other words I notice that I am ETHICAL, there is a MORAL dimension to

> my EXISTENCE. In every praxis of my daily life in which I realize one of

> my possibilities for Being-in-the-World I am assailed as if from nowhere

> by this ethical sense. After effecting an action - setting to fire a row

> of Islamic shops or Hindu temples or Protestant churches, bombing the

> Shiah mosque and killing many including children , or invading another

> country in defence of my religion, or ideology -- I sit back and reflect

> on what I have done. When I am able to see them as BEASTLY, as Supremely

> Criminal, totally in inhuman etc. I become another Asoka --

> I give up those ways of Being and with great remorse REPENT and REPENT

> spending the rest my life to undo all the EVILS I have done.

>

> This is an interesting phase of my development, a conversion of a kind.

> For I notice that I am essentially ETHICAL -- there is an INNER SELF that

> wants to do only the PuNNiyam, the essentially ethical and avoid the

> Paavam, the evil and ignoble. This Evil Prone Self is polluted, dirty,

> despicable, ignorant , impure, lowly etc. etc. and that my ESSENCE is NOT

> these at all. My essence is PURITY, the Suddham and NOT the Asuddham,

> Nimalam and NOT Malam.

>

> But how is that I am ethical?

>

> Certainly not because someone taught me or I belong to a religious group,

> follow the ways of the Almighty Sankaracarya, the Jagadguru, or execute my

> praxis as the Karma Yogi in accordance with Gita or have memorized the

> aphorisms of the immortal VaLLuvar and what not. All these become relevant

> only because I am ALREADY ethical, and in that tend to AVOID the evil and

> execute only the Good. This is what I AM already, this essence of myself

> belongs to my PRESENCE in the world

>

> My Hermeneutic way of seeing has unfolded a puzzle about me. I am

> essentially ethical and that because nobody in the world has taught me to

> be so. It is a competence I have just like the linguistic competence, a

> potentiality, to discriminate the RIGHT from the WRONG , avoid the wrong

> and persist only in the right and the good. Of course there are hundreds

> and thousands of nonaverage individuals who would seize upon this

> competence I have and TRAP me into what they see as the Good , the evil

> etc. They have their OWN INTERPRETATIONS and they pretending to be walking

> gods want to enslave me into their ethical value systems and follow them

> unquestioningly. These value systems are God given they say, and so do not

>

> transgress they admonish.

>

> Sometimes such as advise is meant well especially for the intellectually

> weak. At the absence of the mental ability to look at self as a TEXT and

> SEE the DEEP SELF within that is PURE etc., perhaps such an advise is the

> best but only as heuristics. But when this whole attitude is extended to

> ALL and through that SUFFOCATE free inquiry then it becomes UNETHICAL in

> itself and hence something that gets opposed or something that OUGHT to be

> opposed at whatever cost.

>

> I find myself to be such a rebellious individual , one who cannot be

> imprisoned into a set of value systems promulgated as God given as in the

> Vedas, Bible Alkoran and so forth. I am ethical NOT because of these books

> but because that's my essence.

>

> But why this essence? In my presence in the world why am I DUAL, Suddham

> and Asuddham?

>

> We shall take it up next.

>

> ( to continue) 11

=======================================================

> Dear friends! You are most welcome to visit the following websites I

> maintain:

>

> For World Saivism :

> http://ulagan.tripod.com/index.htm

> For Dravidian Philosophy:

> http://loga.tripod.com/tindex.htm

> For Agamic Psychology :

> http://ulagank.tripod.com/agapsyindex.htm

> For ArutkuRaL studies:

> http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/index.html

> For studies of Tamil Sacred scriptures in

> English:

> http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/tmcampus/tmc-open.html

> For SumeroTamil and related studies:

> http://arutkuraL.tripod.com/sumstudies/sumcampus.html

>

> =======================================================

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 Dear Kathiresan.

 

Glad to hear you find my postings interesting and in a way stimulating. But you

should  know by

now that I am NOT trying to expound Adavaita Vedanta or anything like that. I am

exploring as

an autonomous individual into TRUTH. Of course if it happens to stimulate  you

into thinking

more about Adavaita Vedanta and so forth,. I am doubly happy.

 

The Indian phuilosophical thinking has become a dead wood , fossilized into the

various schools

of thought and repetitive. I hope such writings as these will bring the spirit

of adventure and

free inquiry that philosophy needs.

 

Loga

 

 

 

K Kathirasan NCS wrote:

> Vanakkam Dr Loga

>

> Thanks for the interesting presentation. I agree with you that we don't need

> scriptures to determine Ethics.

>

> Just wanted to tell you that I am reading all your posts and looking forward

> to your next post. I hope to see more Advaita or Vedanta related information

> in it.  Thank you sir.

>

> Kathi

>

> >

> > Dr.K.Loganathan [sMTP:subas]

> > Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:45 AM

> > To:   akandabaratam

> > Cc:   IndianCivilization ; WaveS-Vedic ;

> > agamicpsychology ; advaitin

> > Subject:      Psychology and Metaphysics-11

> >

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