Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 hariH OM! namaskaaram to all. this gift Life is what we [brahman] gave ourself [itself]. unfortunately--or so it seems thus before moksha is reached, we have become entangled in its *necessary* Relativity, which, in turn, operates out of duality. thus the goal materializes over the course of our soul's evolution, that it must regain its true identity, as well as come to terms with its conception of *What IS*. to do so, we learn and apply various strategies whose purpose is to clear the Mind of its accumulation of erroneous ideas, which if appreciably succesful, will afford us the opportunity to become directly and effortlessly connected to the Heart of our Being (which is brahman Itself). methods such as "neti, neti, etc"; seeing that all that one is witnessing, doing, or thinking is brahman Itself; that there is no doer or knower; that the world is purely an illusion; etc ..... are merely methods. means to get our awareness re-focussed on the foundation of our Being as satchidananda of brahman. once that is achieved, we once again recognize the value of this dualistic gift of leela vibhuthi! duality is thus seen to be a *relative* reality WITHIN the metaphysical egg of the nondual brahman. (much light can be shed on this by reading the early passages of rig veda, discussing how and *why* brahman projected its Being into manifestation, as well as affording the insight that such manifestation is indeed sacred!!) (incidentally, to my understanding, the esoteric reason for naming it advaita and not ekaata, is to emphasize the outstanding fact that the apparent duality [viz. between god and man, good and evil, joy and sorrow, etc] is in fact only apparent, and *necessarily so* for the mechanism leela to be capable of functioning.) OM ramanarpanamasthu - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Thanks dear Frankji for your thoughts. There was a Malayalam poet, who later became a film lyricist, and wrote something on the following lines: Seeing something, and not seeing anything, Hearing something, and not hearing anything, This journey that continues is blissful! I admire him and admire all those poets who in their height of poesy lost their individual identity and sang the song of advaita. They were not advaitins in the sense that they perhaps did not study the Upanishads, Gaudapada and Sankara. But, the Lord has a knack of telling discerning minds that there is after all that One beyond all his manifold leela. I believe this was true about William Wordsworth, whom the daffodils enchanted, and many other Western minds. The word brahmanda has always fascinated me and I used to think that it had some Indian uniquness. The egg of Brahman! Egg is the beginning of multiplicity, the very basis of creation. The egg of Brahman is, therefore, the entire creation, all the lokas, the worlds that we experience. Incidentally, the word loka has an etymological relationship with the English word "look". That which we "look" at is loka! How fantastic! The English word for our brahmanda is universe. Uni implies oneness. What about "verse". It is the latter half of diverse - multiciplicity. (This is my personal etyomotlogical reasoning. I don't care if the grammarians agree or not. If they don't, it is their funeral!). So, the word connotes diversity out of unity. Lo! The West was not far behind the Indian mind! Take care. Best regards. Madathil Nair ________________ advaitin, f maiello <egodust> wrote: > > once that is achieved, we once again recognize the > value of this dualistic gift of leela vibhuthi! > duality is thus seen to be a *relative* reality WITHIN > the metaphysical egg of the nondual brahman. (much > light can be shed on this by reading the early > passages of rig veda, discussing how and *why* brahman > projected its Being into manifestation, as well as > affording the insight that such manifestation is > indeed sacred!!) > > OM ramanarpanamasthu > > > > > > - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 advaitin, f maiello <egodust> wrote: Hi Frank. I look forward to your future posts pointing to the beauty of the opposites coming from oneness. Life is a gift, as you say. "From Actualising the Fundamental Point A fish swims in the ocean, & no matter how far it swims there is no end to the water. A bird flies in the sky, & no matter how far it flies there is no end to the air. However, the fish & the bird have never left their elements. When their activity is large their field is large. When their need is small their field is small. Thus, each of them totally covers its full range, & each of them totally experiences its realm. If the bird leaves the air it will die at once. If the fish leaves the water it willdie at once. Know that water is life & air is life. The bird is life & the fish is life. Life must be the bird & fish." Zen Master Dogen > hariH OM! > namaskaaram to all. > > this gift Life is what we [brahman] gave ourself > [itself]. > once that is achieved, we once again recognize the > value of this dualistic gift of leela vibhuthi! > duality is thus seen to be a *relative* reality WITHIN > the metaphysical egg of the nondual brahman. (much > light can be shed on this by reading the early > passages of rig veda, discussing how and *why* brahman > projected its Being into manifestation, as well as > affording the insight that such manifestation is > indeed sacred!!) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 Dear Friend Namaskar With all due respect to your beautiful prose you have me laughing all over place here Maybe is time to bring Zen Master Dogen down from clouds for look at Biology 101 down on planet Earth for a minute There are Bird Nations that search for food underwater and they do not die as this is how they Live. They can live no other way There are Fish Nations that walk across the Land in search of new water and they do not die as this is how they live. They can live no other way Has been a really busy week this week for the entire world however with all due respect am thinking Zen Master Dogen needs to get out more often Better yet have him call me in California 619-468-9148 and we can talk about fish out of water Thanks for great cosmic humor Here is great one also How do you get Elephant down from top of Oak Tree Why of course you tell him to please sit on Oak Leaf and wait till Autumn Is lesson in patience Aum Sharavana Bhavaya Namaha DharmaDev Arya oceanwavejoy <colette advaitin <advaitin> Saturday, June 01, 2002 3:28 PM Re: dvaita *within* advaita >advaitin, f maiello <egodust> wrote: > >Hi Frank. I look forward to your future posts pointing to the beauty >of the opposites coming from oneness. Life is a gift, as you say. > >"From Actualising the Fundamental Point > >A fish swims in the ocean, & no matter how far it swims there is no >end to the water. > >A bird flies in the sky, & no matter how far it flies there is no end >to the air. > >However, the fish & the bird have never left their elements. > >When their activity is large their field is large. When their need is >small their field is small. > >Thus, each of them totally covers its full range, & each of them >totally experiences its realm. If the bird leaves the air it will die >at once. If the fish leaves the water it willdie at once. > >Know that water is life & air is life. The bird is life & the fish is >life. Life must be the bird & fish." > >Zen Master Dogen > > >> hariH OM! >> namaskaaram to all. >> >> this gift Life is what we [brahman] gave ourself >> [itself]. > >> once that is achieved, we once again recognize the >> value of this dualistic gift of leela vibhuthi! >> duality is thus seen to be a *relative* reality WITHIN >> the metaphysical egg of the nondual brahman. (much >> light can be shed on this by reading the early >> passages of rig veda, discussing how and *why* brahman >> projected its Being into manifestation, as well as >> affording the insight that such manifestation is >> indeed sacred!!) >> > > > >Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. >Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ >To Post a message send an email to : advaitin >Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 advaitin, "ShiningLotus" <shininglotus@c...> wrote: > Dear Friend Dear one, it was pointing to the relationship between absolute & relative as both Being. Many err on trashing the relative as mere illusion. Dogen was pointing to both empty sky, & bird (both impersonal & personal) as Being. I am glad you had a good laugh though, cause I like people being happy. Colette > > Namaskar > > With all due respect to your beautiful prose you have me laughing all over > place here > > Maybe is time to bring Zen Master Dogen down from clouds for look at Biology > 101 down on planet Earth for a minute > > There are Bird Nations that search for food underwater and they do not die > as this is how they Live. They can live no other way > > There are Fish Nations that walk across the Land in search of new water and > they do not die as this is how they live. They can live no other way > > Has been a really busy week this week for the entire world however with all > due respect am thinking Zen Master Dogen needs to get out more often > > Better yet have him call me in California 619-468-9148 and we can talk about > fish out of water > > Thanks for great cosmic humor > > Here is great one also How do you get Elephant down from top of Oak Tree > > Why of course you tell him to please sit on Oak Leaf and wait till Autumn > > Is lesson in patience > > Aum Sharavana Bhavaya Namaha > > DharmaDev Arya > > > oceanwavejoy <colette@b...> > advaitin <advaitin> > Saturday, June 01, 2002 3:28 PM > Re: dvaita *within* advaita > > > >advaitin, f maiello <egodust> wrote: > > > >Hi Frank. I look forward to your future posts pointing to the beauty > >of the opposites coming from oneness. Life is a gift, as you say. > > > >"From Actualising the Fundamental Point > > > >A fish swims in the ocean, & no matter how far it swims there is no > >end to the water. > > > >A bird flies in the sky, & no matter how far it flies there is no end > >to the air. > > > >However, the fish & the bird have never left their elements. > > > >When their activity is large their field is large. When their need is > >small their field is small. > > > >Thus, each of them totally covers its full range, & each of them > >totally experiences its realm. If the bird leaves the air it will die > >at once. If the fish leaves the water it willdie at once. > > > >Know that water is life & air is life. The bird is life & the fish is > >life. Life must be the bird & fish." > > > >Zen Master Dogen > > > > > >> hariH OM! > >> namaskaaram to all. > >> > >> this gift Life is what we [brahman] gave ourself > >> [itself]. > > > >> once that is achieved, we once again recognize the > >> value of this dualistic gift of leela vibhuthi! > >> duality is thus seen to be a *relative* reality WITHIN > >> the metaphysical egg of the nondual brahman. (much > >> light can be shed on this by reading the early > >> passages of rig veda, discussing how and *why* brahman > >> projected its Being into manifestation, as well as > >> affording the insight that such manifestation is > >> indeed sacred!!) > >> > > > > > > > >Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > Atman and Brahman. > >Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > >To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > >Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 dear colette-ji, pranaam. hi. nice to see you posting again.. yes, dogen is one of my favorite zens, along with hakwin and hui-neng, and i just so happen to have one of his [dogen's] sayings on my desk for over a year now, which directly addresses the topic leela i've been discussing; and the interpretation is as unmistakeable and clear as the one i posted stated by sri ramana *numerous* times on the List: "those who see worldly life as an obstacle to dharma see no dharma in everyday actions; they have not yet discovered that there are no everyday actions outside of dharma." namaste, frank - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 advaitin, f maiello <egodust> wrote: > dear colette-ji, > pranaam. > > hi. nice to see you posting again.. Yes, you too. > > yes, dogen is one of my favorite zens, along with > hakwin and hui-neng, and i just so happen to have one > of his [dogen's] sayings on my desk for over a year > now, which directly addresses the topic leela i've > been discussing; and the interpretation is as > unmistakeable and clear as the one i posted stated by > sri ramana *numerous* times on the List: > > "those who see worldly life as an obstacle to dharma > see no dharma in everyday actions; they have not yet > discovered that there are no everyday actions outside > of dharma." > > namaste, > frank > I adore Dogen. Here are some words of his I admire: "Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide & great, the moon is reflected even in a puddle an inch wide. The whole moon & the entire sky are reflected in dewdrops on the grass, or even in one drop of water. The depth of the drop is the height of the moon." Dogen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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