Examination of Deep Sleep State

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A Critical Examination of Deep Sleep State from the

point of a Waker!

 

I tried to follow the discussion of Prof. V.K. and

Dennis.

 

Here is my current understanding.

 

First we neeed to recognize the fact that any logical

analysis of the deep sleep state can and is being done

at the waking state by the waker's mind which was not

there in the deep sleep state.

 

Hence from the waker's mind point any conclusions that

can be arrived at can only be inferential.

 

If one examines critically even Shankara's response to

a student quenstion - say in Vivekachuudamani - "I was

conscious of nothing in the deep sleep state - Hence I

was there present to know the absence of everything

that includes time and space, - or " I slept well' -

and sleep is an intensive pleasurable experince and I

have to be there to sleep well' etc all are indeed

inferential statements made in the waking state by the

inquiring mind which was not there in the deep sleep

state.

 

Whether I was there in the deep sleep state or not is

question that cannot be resolved factually other than

by inference by the waker's mind - whether it is our

mind or Shankara's mind is not important here but by

the mind that was not there in the deep sleep state is

the point.

>From the point of just waker's mind - I will put this

qestion - whether I was there in the deep sleep state

or not- is unresolvable and hence I consider it is an

indeterminate problem. Any conclusion that one can

arrive at just based on logic alone is inferential and

questionable.

 

The pramana for my existence in deep sleep is not

loukika anumaana - that is logic based on say

objective sciences which can only be inferential - but

shaastriiya anumaana - that is based on the logic of

shaastra - hence the importance of shastra as

pramaana.

 

Existence - which is consciousness - alone was there

in the beginning - sat eva soumya - ekameeva

advitiiyam - tad aikshata etc statements of ChaDukya

U. establishes that existence-consciousness and

infiniteness - satyam-j~naanam - anantam- alone was

there before creation.

 

That which exists can never cease to exist and that

which is non-existence can never come to exitence -

naasato vidyate bhaavo naabhaavo vidyate sataH - Bg

Geeta - establishes that I am which is conscious (I)

and existent entity (am) can never cease to exist - is

shaastriiya anumanaana -

 

Hence the inferencial statement of the waker that I

was there to sleep well and I was conscious of nothing

etc - the intellectual statements of the waker's mind

is fully supported by the scriptual statement that I

cannot cease to exist and I am conscious and existent

entity ever present - this are further backed by

Mandukya Up. declarations.

 

Conclusion:

 

1. Staement of waker's mind that I was there and I

slept well - by themselves are inferential and waker's

mind cannot catogorically determine "I existed in the

deep sleep state' and was conscious (of nothing) is an

indeterminate problem.

 

2. The problem gets resolved correctly only if we

bring Scriptual pramana.

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Existence or the pramanas relating thereto have never been

questioned. The attempt (at least from my side) was to conclude

that "I slept" need not be considered inferential knowledge as it is

direct knowledge lighting up to me right at this moment of

wakefulness with all required substantiating "add-ins" like any other

knowledge. It is, therefore, not necessary to think that I really

underwent the sleep experience, then call it memory, pratyabhigna,

recall, inference etc. and look for pramanas to confirm that I

necessarily existed at the time of the experience although my mind

was absent. According to advaita, I am an ever-present present which

contain and reflect all the worlds. What is reflected is not within

the "limited me's" capacity to demand, dictate or change. That I

slept is one of the things reflected in that unchanging "now". The

enjoyment of sleep is, therefore, direct knowledge in this "now" and

not in a `mindless' past.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada>

wrote:

> A Critical Examination of Deep Sleep State from the

> point of a Waker!

> Conclusion:

>

> 1. Staement of waker's mind that I was there and I

> slept well - by themselves are inferential and waker's

> mind cannot catogorically determine "I existed in the

> deep sleep state' and was conscious (of nothing) is an

> indeterminate problem.

>

> 2. The problem gets resolved correctly only if we

> bring Scriptual pramana.

>

> Hari OM!

> Sadananda