Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 White Light - Dreams - Plasma Lamp - Part 1 Over three decades ago, before knowledge about TM, Vedas, Rosicrucians, Advaita, et al, as a scientist at Raytheon Research Laboratories, I experienced numerous extraordinary sightings and vivid dream type phenomena while in the waking state. I was developing a 100 kw high-pressure argon vortex plasma lamp that could produce light up to four times the intensity of the sun. This lamp was outrageously ferocious, capable of giving instant sunburns, creating considerable ozone in the local environment. The purpose of the lamp was to 'pump' or 'excite' (to optically transfer energy to) a variety of solid state crystal lasers such as ruby that were simultaneously being 'grown' by the Research Division. The effort was part of an early star wars type program where presumably a paraboloidal optical antenna might eventually couple energy from the sun to lasers located on satellites. Quite startling though, I one day found that my consciousness had also been 'excited'. I quite inadvertently experienced rather extraordinary 'psychic' phenomena. I saw purple aura around all green vegetation for many hours after running the lamp, even while driving my car. I also saw all sorts of hazy fog-like animal creatures like monkeys jumping about in the trees. I kept reminding myself that I had never seen such things before. In addition, dreaming states were simultaneously witnessed along with ordinary waking state. Upon closing the eyes a vivid dream could unfold while being simultaneously fully aware of the waking environment. Two states of consciousness exhibiting themselves simultaneously. So, exactly what happened here and what sort of theoretical model can offer an explanation? For one having such an experience, there needs to be a reason. No, I was not going mad. There needs to be some theoretical model around which to understand such phenomena with intelligence. -- to be continued jai guru dev, Edmond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 In a message dated 6/11/2002 2:08:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sunderh writes: > So the model of the phenomena you describe may simply be > neuronal excitation by physical factors. Stroboscopic exposure is a > particular test used by epileptologists/neurlogists to induce and > detect epileptic foci not detected by surface EEG. > Oh yes, there is no doubt that some type of neuronal excitation by physical factors was occurring here (yet to be expounded upon after introducing more data), and as you might suspect, I also became quite conversant with a number of folks in the medical world at the time, especially as all my physics mentors closely surrounding me were not at all sympathetic to the nature of events surrounding the plasma lamp experiences. Yes, I was also involved with stroboscopic type things at the same time, especially with a research psychologist at a Veteran's Hospital and another physicist out of the US Air Force Research Center who had learned to send Morse Code by turning On and Off his brain Alpha Rhythm. I knew Morse Code (being a Radio Ham) and this was found absolutely fascinating. To learn to do this, the psychologist put me into his Magnetic Shielded EEG Chamber and tied my Alpha Rhythm output into an active feedback loop to a Light Bulb in the darkened EEG Chamber. One then rather quickly gets the knack of turning the Alpha Rhythm On and Off, though at first a little disquieting (I have no known epilepsy symptoms, either then or now), something like strobing light that is synchronized to one's Alpha Rhythm. In cooperation with many fantastic joint experiments, I here wound a first huge, large and very heavy inductor antenna (I was also in graduate school studying physics under a radio astronomer) to catch some of the magnetics of such brain rhythms. It was a wonderful incredibly fast growing time of my life, almost magic like, as the universe started to unfold at an extremely rapid pace, until . . . until . . . until the extreme heavy doses of white light, when and from where many facets of my life all fell apart, simultaneously. This is when I turned about face, East to Vedaland and West to Esoterica, for no one else knew and/or was willing to listen. --continuing-- jai guru dev, Edmond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Jaya Guru Deva Edmondji Jaya Guru Deva Is true that you were not going mad This breakthrough you are describeing must have been totally intense by any standard Dhanyawaad aur Pranams Mitra DharmaDev Arya edmeasure <edmeasure advaitin <advaitin> Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:24 AM White Light - Dreams - Plasma Lamp - Part 1 White Light - Dreams - Plasma Lamp - Part 1 Over three decades ago, before knowledge about TM, Vedas, Rosicrucians, Advaita, et al, as a scientist at Raytheon Research Laboratories, I experienced numerous extraordinary sightings and vivid dream type phenomena while in the waking state. I was developing a 100 kw high-pressure argon vortex plasma lamp that could produce light up to four times the intensity of the sun. This lamp was outrageously ferocious, capable of giving instant sunburns, creating considerable ozone in the local environment. The purpose of the lamp was to 'pump' or 'excite' (to optically transfer energy to) a variety of solid state crystal lasers such as ruby that were simultaneously being 'grown' by the Research Division. The effort was part of an early star wars type program where presumably a paraboloidal optical antenna might eventually couple energy from the sun to lasers located on satellites. Quite startling though, I one day found that my consciousness had also been 'excited'. I quite inadvertently experienced rather extraordinary 'psychic' phenomena. I saw purple aura around all green vegetation for many hours after running the lamp, even while driving my car. I also saw all sorts of hazy fog-like animal creatures like monkeys jumping about in the trees. I kept reminding myself that I had never seen such things before. In addition, dreaming states were simultaneously witnessed along with ordinary waking state. Upon closing the eyes a vivid dream could unfold while being simultaneously fully aware of the waking environment. Two states of consciousness exhibiting themselves simultaneously. So, exactly what happened here and what sort of theoretical model can offer an explanation? For one having such an experience, there needs to be a reason. No, I was not going mad. There needs to be some theoretical model around which to understand such phenomena with intelligence. -- to be continued jai guru dev, Edmond Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Namaste, Over 5 decades ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, the famous neuro- surgeon, at the Montreal Neurological Institute, had described the phenomena of 'panoramic memory' after electrically stimulating certain parts of the Temporal lobe cortex of the brain. The patient could actually relive whole scenes from the past, retaining consciousness of present environment [of course under local anesthesia]. Certain forms of epilesy with a temporal lobe focus have the same capabilty of producing extremely diverse phenomena, sometimes producing fugue states, sometimes multiple persaonality, extreme religiosity or paranoid states, bizarre hallucinations, trance states, etc. [Dostoevsky had suffered from TLE syndrome]. This has formed a vast field of inquiry in medico-legal crime circles. So the model of the phenomena you describe may simply be neuronal excitation by physical factors. Stroboscopic exposure is a particular test used by epileptologists/neurlogists to induce and detect epileptic foci not detected by surface EEG. Regards, Sunder advaitin, edmeasure@a... wrote: > White Light - Dreams - Plasma Lamp - Part 1 There needs to be some theoretical model around which to > understand such phenomena with intelligence. > -- to be continued > > jai guru dev, > > Edmond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Namaste, I can appreciate the essence of this post in the sense that most epilipetics (particularly temporal lobe) see auras before a fit. Extending this scientific fact, can anybody please tell us if there is a brain pathology (or chemistry) behind being an advaitin, particularly a rabid neo or a traditonal one? There could well be! If the answer is yes, then I can close shop and go home to await my next fit of "non-dualistic rapture", which of course can be read with an EEG! Pranams. Madathil Nair _________________________ advaitin, "sunderh" <sunderh> wrote: > Namaste, > > Over 5 decades ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, the famous neuro- > surgeon, at the Montreal Neurological Institute, had described the > phenomena of 'panoramic memory' after electrically stimulating > certain parts of the Temporal lobe cortex of the brain. The patient > could actually relive whole scenes from the past, retaining > consciousness of present environment [of course under local > anesthesia]. > > Certain forms of epilesy with a temporal lobe focus have the > same capabilty of producing extremely diverse phenomena, sometimes > producing fugue states, sometimes multiple persaonality, extreme > religiosity or paranoid states, bizarre hallucinations, trance > states, etc. [Dostoevsky had suffered from TLE syndrome]. This has > formed a vast field of inquiry in medico-legal crime circles. > > So the model of the phenomena you describe may simply be > neuronal excitation by physical factors. Stroboscopic exposure is a > particular test used by epileptologists/neurlogists to induce and > detect epileptic foci not detected by surface EEG. > > > Regards, > > Sunder > > > > > advaitin, edmeasure@a... wrote: > > White Light - Dreams - Plasma Lamp - Part 1 > There needs to be some theoretical model around which to > > understand such phenomena with intelligence. > > -- to be continued > > > > jai guru dev, > > > > Edmond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Dear Friends Is true we should all probably be fitted with portable EEG with wires to the head at one time or another for feedback Would also allow us to be easily identified in public and make all of us Grand conversation pieces in social gatherings : ) Am sure we would all be quite popular and in demand : ) Pranams DharmaDev Arya madathilnair <madathilnair advaitin <advaitin> Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:57 AM Re: White Light - Dreams - Plasma Lamp - Part 1 Namaste, I can appreciate the essence of this post in the sense that most epilipetics (particularly temporal lobe) see auras before a fit. Extending this scientific fact, can anybody please tell us if there is a brain pathology (or chemistry) behind being an advaitin, particularly a rabid neo or a traditonal one? There could well be! If the answer is yes, then I can close shop and go home to await my next fit of "non-dualistic rapture", which of course can be read with an EEG! Pranams. Madathil Nair _________________________ advaitin, "sunderh" <sunderh> wrote: > Namaste, > > Over 5 decades ago, Dr. Wilder Penfield, the famous neuro- > surgeon, at the Montreal Neurological Institute, had described the > phenomena of 'panoramic memory' after electrically stimulating > certain parts of the Temporal lobe cortex of the brain. The patient > could actually relive whole scenes from the past, retaining > consciousness of present environment [of course under local > anesthesia]. > > Certain forms of epilesy with a temporal lobe focus have the > same capabilty of producing extremely diverse phenomena, sometimes > producing fugue states, sometimes multiple persaonality, extreme > religiosity or paranoid states, bizarre hallucinations, trance > states, etc. [Dostoevsky had suffered from TLE syndrome]. This has > formed a vast field of inquiry in medico-legal crime circles. > > So the model of the phenomena you describe may simply be > neuronal excitation by physical factors. Stroboscopic exposure is a > particular test used by epileptologists/neurlogists to induce and > detect epileptic foci not detected by surface EEG. > > > Regards, > > Sunder > > > > > advaitin, edmeasure@a... wrote: > > White Light - Dreams - Plasma Lamp - Part 1 > There needs to be some theoretical model around which to > > understand such phenomena with intelligence. > > -- to be continued > > > > jai guru dev, > > > > Edmond Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Namaste, The interesting part of TLE is not the pre-ictal aura, but the ictal and post-ictal (ictus = 'fit') phenomena, which are extremely complex activities, including violent crimes, with no memory for the events, and almost in a state of a 'robotic' possession by another personality. The pathology in spiritual pursuit appears only if one pushes oneself harder than what one is prepared for : the reason for having a teacher who can gauge the disciple's strengths/weaknesses, moral preparation, etc. Casualties in all types of yoga practice are well- known. Many have tried the advaitic fits with the help of LSD, and come to grievous results. Regards, Sunder advaitin, "madathilnair" <madathilnair> wrote: > Namaste, > > I can appreciate the essence of this post in the sense that most > epilipetics (particularly temporal lobe) see auras before a fit. > > Extending this scientific fact, can anybody please tell us if there > is a brain pathology (or chemistry) behind being an advaitin, > particularly a rabid neo or a traditonal one? There could well be! > If the answer is yes, then I can close shop and go home to await my > next fit of "non-dualistic rapture", which of course can be read with > an EEG! > > Pranams. > > Madathil Nair > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Namaste, Thanks. I only wanted to drive home the point that, of late, this "brain" fellow is taking central stage in our discussions much to the disadvantage of advaita. Shall we not push him back to where he rightly belongs and resume talking about what lights up the brain and the rest of the worlds? A "brain explanation" can be found for everything that is happening to us if we look for it. No doubt, we would be expanding our "scientific knowledge" that way but only at the cost of aggrandizing Ignorance (avidya)! Regards. Madathil Nair _____ advaitin, "sunderh" <sunderh> wrote: > Namaste, > > The interesting part of TLE is not the pre-ictal aura, but the > ictal and post-ictal (ictus = 'fit') phenomena, which are extremely > complex activities, including violent crimes, with no memory for the > events, and almost in a state of a 'robotic' possession by another > personality. > > The pathology in spiritual pursuit appears only if one pushes > oneself harder than what one is prepared for : the reason for having > a teacher who can gauge the disciple's strengths/weaknesses, moral > preparation, etc. Casualties in all types of yoga practice are well- > known. Many have tried the advaitic fits with the help of LSD, and > come to grievous results. > > Regards, > > Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Namaskar Apologies for asking this however could the term advaitic fit be explained Is this an accepted term that attempts to describe a seldom seen type of Kundalini Experience connected to Advaitin practice Thanks for your help as have never heard this term used DharmaDev Arya madathilnair <madathilnair advaitin <advaitin> Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:47 PM Re: White Light - Dreams - Plasma Lamp - Part 1 Namaste, Thanks. I only wanted to drive home the point that, of late, this "brain" fellow is taking central stage in our discussions much to the disadvantage of advaita. Shall we not push him back to where he rightly belongs and resume talking about what lights up the brain and the rest of the worlds? A "brain explanation" can be found for everything that is happening to us if we look for it. No doubt, we would be expanding our "scientific knowledge" that way but only at the cost of aggrandizing Ignorance (avidya)! Regards. Madathil Nair _____ advaitin, "sunderh" <sunderh> wrote: > Namaste, > > The interesting part of TLE is not the pre-ictal aura, but the > ictal and post-ictal (ictus = 'fit') phenomena, which are extremely > complex activities, including violent crimes, with no memory for the > events, and almost in a state of a 'robotic' possession by another > personality. > > The pathology in spiritual pursuit appears only if one pushes > oneself harder than what one is prepared for : the reason for having > a teacher who can gauge the disciple's strengths/weaknesses, moral > preparation, etc. Casualties in all types of yoga practice are well- > known. Many have tried the advaitic fits with the help of LSD, and > come to grievous results. > > Regards, > > Sunder Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Sorry, Sir. There is no such term. Apologies as my bad sense of humour led to this confusion. Madathil Nair advaitin, "ShiningLotus" <shininglotus@c...> wrote: > Namaskar > > Apologies for asking this however could the term advaitic fit be explained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Namaste, Agree whole-heartedly! Regards, Sunder advaitin, "madathilnair" <madathilnair> wrote: > Namaste, > > Thanks. > > I only wanted to drive home the point that, of late, this "brain" > fellow is taking central stage in our discussions much to the > disadvantage of advaita. Shall we not push him back to where he > rightly belongs and resume talking about what lights up the brain and > the rest of the worlds? A "brain explanation" can be found for > everything that is happening to us if we look for it. No doubt, we > would be expanding our "scientific knowledge" that way but only at > the cost of aggrandizing Ignorance (avidya)! > > Regards. > > Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Dear Madathilji No apology needed and am thanking you for the clarification as sounded really different there for a minute and now am really glad we dont have members suffereing from Advaitin Fits Actually I am thinking you have coined a phrase that will live forever as does Tantrum Yoga The Latest Rage on the Path to Ire Consciousness found in the book Driveing Your Own Karma by Swami Beyondananda Thanks DharmaDev Arya madathilnair <madathilnair advaitin <advaitin> Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:37 AM Re: White Light - Dreams - Plasma Lamp - Part 1 Sorry, Sir. There is no such term. Apologies as my bad sense of humour led to this confusion. Madathil Nair advaitin, "ShiningLotus" <shininglotus@c...> wrote: > Namaskar > > Apologies for asking this however could the term advaitic fit be explained Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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