Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 The question was raised regarding whether Self-Inquiry is inconsistent with other spiritual practices. Self-Inquiry is not inconsistent with other spiritual practices. After Kunju Swami and served Bhagavan for 12 years and asked for advice on how to proceed, Sri Ramana suggested Japa, Kirtan, meditation, etc. in combination along with inquiry. It should be remembered that Kunju Swami was a highly advanced yogi, who had already glimpsed the nature of the Self and had many superconscious experiences. Sri Ramana has stated clearly that all other modes of spiritual practice presuppose the retention of the mind and therefore lead to Realization indirectly when through grace the mind is absorbed into the Heart. Bhagavan has said that for those able to practice pure inquiry, self-inquiry is the direct and best method for Self-Realizaiton. The Sage of Arunachala, however, did not dismiss other yogic practices and his answers to people were contextual. Quoting Bhagavan selectively can easy lead to the comical situation of making Sri Ramana engage in professional wrestling with his own words. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 Dear Harshaji Yes I agree with this and think this is what is takeing place To be more specific on the aspects of Sri Sri Ramana Maharshis explantion of what I have been trying to make clear I would like to reprint his teachings that came on the internet in April of 2002 on the Shakti Sadhana Group Site Kundalini >From the Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi Edited by David Godman Sri Ramana Maharishi Fixing their minds on the psychic centres such as the Sahasrara ( the thousand petaled lotus Chakra ) Yogis remain any lengths of time without awareness of their bodies. As long as this state continues, they appear to be immersed in some kind of joy. But when the mind, which has become tranquil emerges and becomes active again it resumes its worldly thoughts. It is therefore necessary to train it with the help of practices like Dhyana ( meditation ) whenever it becomes externalised. It will then attain a state in which there is neirther subsistence nor emergence Question How to churn up the Nadis ( psychic nerves ) so that the Kundalini may go up the Sushumna ? Sri Ramana Maharshi Though the Yogi may have his methods of breath control for his object the Jnanis method is only that of enquiry. When by this method the mind is merged in the Self the Sakti or Kundalini which is not apart from theSelf rises automatically The Yogis attach the highest importance to sending the Kundalini up to the Sahasrara the brain centre or the thousand petalled lotus. They point out the scriptural statement that the life current enters the body through the fontanelle and argue that Viyoga ( separation ) having come about that way Yoga ( union ) must also be effected in the reverse way. Therefore they say we must by yoga practice gather up the Pranas ( vital force ) and enter the fontanelle for the consummation of yaga. The Jananis on the other hand point out that the yogi assumes the existence of the body and its separateness from the Self. Only if this standpoint of separateness is adopted can the yogi advise effort for reunion by the practice of yoga In fact the body is in the mind which has the brain for its seat. That the brain functions by light borrowed from another source is admitted by the yogis themselves in their fontanelle theory. The Janani further argues if the light is borrowed it must come from its native source. Go to the source direct and do not depend on borrowed sources. That source is the Heart the Self More of this can be found on the Sri Ramana site most likely however the commentary by David Godman in this reference is important to Advaitins He accepted the existence of the Kundalini power and the Chakras but he said that even if the Kundalini reached the Sahasrara it would not result in realisation. For final realization he said the Kundalini must go beyond the Sahasrara down another Nadi ( psychic nerve ) he called Amritanadi ( also called the Paranadi or Jivanadi ) and into the Heart Centre on the right side of the chest Since he maintained that self enquiry would automatically send the Kundalini to the Heart Centre he taught that separate Yoga exercises were unnecassary What this is saying is that He recognized there were more than one process to Realization and Final Realization however he chose to teach self enquiry instead of Yogic Practices of Kundalini Meditation Other Teachers have taught the other method that He recognizes and many Meditators now are at the place where we are ready to go beyond the Sahasrara Chakra as he is describeing. Some I am sure have already Accomplished this I am one of those people who are working with this now and we are experimenting in Consciousness to find the Path beyond the Sahasrara And our experimenting is being rewarded however it is not through self enquiry that we are finding success in this physical lifetime. Our success is being found in Kundalini Yoga and the Silence of Meditation and Samadhi and that is the other method that Sri Sri Ramana Maharshi recognized as another path to Final Realization What is remarkable and commendable about this Teaching in the Service to the Mankind from Sri Sri Ramana Maharshi is that he clearly shows a Path for the Meditator or Recluse and at the same time then chooses to Teach the Path of Self Enquiry so that the Householder can take advantage of the Knowledge that leads to Self Realization Aum NamaSivaya Sivaya Nama Aum Aum Eim Shrim Klim ParamEshwari Swaha Pranams Mitra DharmaDev Arya Harsha <> Cc: Advaitin <Advaitin> Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:30 PM The Nature of Inquiry >The question was raised regarding whether Self-Inquiry is inconsistent with other spiritual practices. > >Self-Inquiry is not inconsistent with other spiritual practices. > >After Kunju Swami and served Bhagavan for 12 years and asked for advice on how to proceed, Sri Ramana suggested Japa, Kirtan, meditation, etc. in combination along with inquiry. It should be remembered that Kunju Swami was a highly advanced yogi, who had already glimpsed the nature of the Self and had many superconscious experiences. > >Sri Ramana has stated clearly that all other modes of spiritual practice presuppose the retention of the mind and therefore lead to Realization indirectly when through grace the mind is absorbed into the Heart. Bhagavan has said that for those able to practice pure inquiry, self-inquiry is the direct and best method for Self-Realizaiton. > >The Sage of Arunachala, however, did not dismiss other yogic practices and his answers to people were contextual. Quoting Bhagavan selectively can easy lead to the comical situation of making Sri Ramana engage in professional wrestling with his own words. > >Love to all >Harsha > > > >Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. >Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ >To Post a message send an email to : advaitin >Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 In a message dated 7/3/2002 7:19:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, harsha writes: > The spiritual path and the teaching that feels natural to us is the > right one. All teachings say the same thing. Realize the Self by > whatever means and all is realized. > > Love to all > Harsha > Yes, a beautiful expression. But if I may add to this, it is better yet if we also look around with firsthand experiences to realize what-it-is that so captures one among the many traditions and their variations. In one way or another, each of the traditions also tend to say or imply that theirs is the one-and-only, the best, the fastest, or whatever. Obviously, all cannot be correct! My god, I first left my own Catholicism early in high school, as the priest were preaching to me that my good Protestant friends were sadly mislead (or the like) and that my very good Jewish friend literally had no chance for salvation (or the like). Obviously, that teaching was sadly deprived of the flowing nectar of siva. Now, more matured among the 'higher' more subtle realities of the vedic gurus of the East and the esoteric adept and mystical societies of the West, we yet still see much of the same, that this one or that one, with whom we momentarily find much joy, is the greatest and best and fastest. There are differences. There are real big differences. Knowing such differences cannot but help one's personal evolution. The only way one can find what the differences may be is to jump in, not as an outside observer, but as an internal leader. Know what is happening and why it is happening through firsthand experience. Know why the statistical normal distribution (the bell curve) applies always, where some are ecstatically involved while others see very little. Move around the different groups, but best not to make a big deal about other groups, as folks within the one group can get all hot and bothered about the 'other' groups. See what is common and not so common among the groups. It's absolutely remarkable what spontaneously evolves in consciousness, and everybody can easily do such things if they wish. jai guru dev and peace profound, Edmond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 Thank you for sharing that Sri Shining Lotus (Sri DharmaDev). Sri Ramana did speak of Kundalini and the need to go beyond the Sahasarara. It seems to me that those advanced on the path of Yoga can understand that part of Sri Ramana's comments and that you are on the right path indeed. The spiritual path and the teaching that feels natural to us is the right one. All teachings say the same thing. Realize the Self by whatever means and all is realized. Love to all Harsha advaitin, "ShiningLotus" <shininglotus@c...> wrote: > Dear Harshaji > > Yes I agree with this and think this is what is takeing place > > To be more specific on the aspects of Sri Sri Ramana Maharshis explantion of > what I have been trying to make clear I would like to reprint his teachings > that came on the internet in April of 2002 on the Shakti Sadhana Group Site > > Kundalini > From the Teachings > of Sri Ramana Maharshi > Edited by David Godman > > Sri Ramana Maharishi > > Fixing their minds on the psychic centres such as the Sahasrara ( the > thousand petaled lotus Chakra ) Yogis remain any lengths of time without > awareness of their bodies. As long as this state continues, they appear to > be immersed in some kind of joy. But when the mind, which has become > tranquil emerges and becomes active again it resumes its worldly thoughts. > It is therefore necessary to train it with the help of practices like Dhyana > ( meditation ) whenever it becomes externalised. It will then attain a state > in which there is neirther subsistence nor emergence > > Question > > How to churn up the Nadis ( psychic nerves ) so that the Kundalini may go up > the Sushumna ? > > Sri Ramana Maharshi > > Though the Yogi may have his methods of breath control for his object the > Jnanis method is only that of enquiry. When by this method the mind is > merged in the Self the Sakti or Kundalini which is not apart from theSelf > rises automatically > > The Yogis attach the highest importance to sending the Kundalini up to the > Sahasrara the brain centre or the thousand petalled lotus. They point out > the scriptural statement that the life current enters the body through the > fontanelle and argue that Viyoga ( separation ) having come about that way > Yoga ( union ) must also be effected in the reverse way. Therefore they say > we must by yoga practice gather up the Pranas ( vital force ) and enter the > fontanelle for the consummation of yaga. The Jananis on the other hand point > out that the yogi assumes the existence of the body and its separateness > from the Self. Only if this standpoint of separateness is adopted can the > yogi advise effort for reunion by the practice of yoga > > In fact the body is in the mind which has the brain for its seat. That the > brain functions by light borrowed from another source is admitted by the > yogis themselves in their fontanelle theory. The Janani further argues if > the light is borrowed it must come from its native source. Go to the source > direct and do not depend on borrowed sources. That source is the Heart the > Self > > More of this can be found on the Sri Ramana site most likely however the > commentary by David Godman in this reference is important to Advaitins > > He accepted the existence of the Kundalini power and the Chakras but he said > that even if the Kundalini reached the Sahasrara it would not result in > realisation. For final realization he said the Kundalini must go beyond the > Sahasrara down another Nadi ( psychic nerve ) he called Amritanadi ( also > called the Paranadi or Jivanadi ) and into the Heart Centre on the right > side of the chest > > Since he maintained that self enquiry would automatically send the Kundalini > to the Heart Centre he taught that separate Yoga exercises were unnecassary > > What this is saying is that He recognized there were more than one process > to Realization and Final Realization however he chose to teach self enquiry > instead of Yogic Practices of Kundalini Meditation > > Other Teachers have taught the other method that He recognizes and many > Meditators now are at the place where we are ready to go beyond the > Sahasrara Chakra as he is describeing. Some I am sure have already > Accomplished this > > I am one of those people who are working with this now and we are > experimenting in Consciousness to find the Path beyond the Sahasrara > > And our experimenting is being rewarded however it is not through self > enquiry that we are finding success in this physical lifetime. Our success > is being found in Kundalini Yoga and the Silence of Meditation and Samadhi > and that is the other method that Sri Sri Ramana Maharshi recognized as > another path to Final Realization > > What is remarkable and commendable about this Teaching in the Service to the > Mankind from Sri Sri Ramana Maharshi is that he clearly shows a Path for the > Meditator or Recluse and at the same time then chooses to Teach the Path of > Self Enquiry so that the Householder can take advantage of the Knowledge > that leads to Self Realization > > Aum NamaSivaya Sivaya Nama Aum > Aum Eim Shrim Klim ParamEshwari Swaha > > Pranams Mitra > > DharmaDev Arya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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