Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 In a message dated 7/9/2002 12:53:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, harshaimtm writes: > The Turya stage is the fourth stage and certainly > beyond such trivialities as transcendental conscious > and so forth. Yes, I realize that you have no experience of transcendental consciousness. I have no wish to 'convert' anyone to anything. I have started to report on a series of experiences and knowledge reference points that I find quite extraordinary. I understand that these things are not much appreciated on this list, so I will quietly decline to continue. So be it. jai guru dev, Edmond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 It occurs to me that only the most advanced adepts and yogis and Realizers can follow the remarkable depth behind simple appearing comments of Sri Ramana Maharshi. The greatest yogis and Shankracharyas sat at the feet of Sri Ramana for a good reason. Those with an inability to understand the Sage of Arunachala should keep such things in mind -- that their teachers and their teachers teachers, stood in the shadows of the Sage of Aruanchala to benefit from his glance. People are fascinated by terms such "Transcendental Consciousness", "Super Consciousness" etc. and rejoice at having what they consider "enlightening" experiences. Naturally, they are eager to convert others. Who can blame them? The Turya stage is the fourth stage and certainly beyond such trivialities as transcendental conscious and so forth. How can any form of consciousness or any concept no matter how sublime survive upon encountering the Heart, the core of Being, that is the Self. Self is Pure Consciousness. Not "This" consciousness or "That" Consciousness. Where words and concepts fail and fall in full awareness, that is Turya. Nirvikalpa Samadhi gives the taste of Turya. One may say that Sahaj Samadhi is Turyatitta (Beyond the forth). Turya is Turyatitta. Love to all Harsha ===== /join Sign up for SBC Dial - First Month Free http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 advaitin, "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > Whatever the experience , it fades down before the > greatness of the Self as it has been embodied by > the great master,guru and majestic being who is > Ramana Maharshi. Words,experiences,opinions > mean nothing as they are nothing. > "A nothing within nothing",Lalla. > Their fate is nothing. Hi. I think Edmond perhaps is concerned that those who take too seriously this no thing, shirk perhaps the relative expression of That. One can fixate either side, until there is no side, & everything is as is. This includes the value of form to That. We cannot say that a beggar is nothing, so lacks nothing, so do not feed & clothe. > > > The Turya stage is the fourth stage and certainly > > > beyond such trivialities as transcendental conscious > > > and so forth. Transcendental consciousness is considered the fourth state of consciousness by TMers. Shall we perhaps say that it has levels of expansion as absolute & relative relate? I like how Capannelius shared that 4th stage turiya quote. I'd like to see all the turiya stages explained so if there are more quotes like that? Colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 Self Being Consciousness Alone, requires no other instrument of perception, no subtle states from which to experience ItSelf. Self ItSelf Experiences ItSelf Through ItSelf By ItSelf as that is the Self-Nature. The ancient sages state that the Self is Independent and without support. Self is One without a second. Coming from Self-Knowledge, these words have deep meaning. Meditators and yogis experience divine visions, celestial experiences, and related psychic and mental phenomena. Sages say that all such experiences require the agency of the mind at some level. We can call it SuperMind, Divine Intelligence, manifestations of Kundalini Shakti, etc. While such experiences may indicate strength of meditation, these do not reveal the Self. >From the relative perspective, Self is Recognized when all phenomena that manifests from the Self (SuperMind, Shakti) is absorbed back into the Self, into the Heart, and the Absolute Silence which swallows up time and space makes It Self Known to ItSelf with Fullness as Sat-Chit-Ananda. Sri Ramana once said something like --- I paraphrase --True and Final Realization is knowing the complete non-arising of phenomena. It appears to me that this makes sense in light of the Advaitic teaching, 1. Self is Real; 2. World is Unreal; 3. Self Is the World. Sri Ramana said that the the third statement unifies the other two and gives them full meaning. Love to all Harsha ===== /join Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 advaitin, Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > Self Being Consciousness Alone, requires no other > instrument of perception, no subtle states from which > to experience ItSelf. Self ItSelf Experiences ItSelf.............. Pranaam, Which posting have you responded to ? Can you pls give message ref no. Best regards, Kamal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2002 Report Share Posted July 20, 2002 advaitin, "kamal_kothari_india" <kamal_kothari_india> wrote: > advaitin, Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > > Self Being Consciousness Alone, requires no other > > instrument of perception, no subtle states from which > > to experience ItSelf. Self ItSelf Experiences ItSelf.............. > > Pranaam, > > Which posting have you responded to ? Can you pls give message ref > no. > > Best regards, > > Kamal *********************** Pranaam Sri Kamalji: I may have been responding to post number 9024 on objectless consciousness. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2002 Report Share Posted July 29, 2002 Annamalai Swami: Mind is just a shadow. Attempts to catch it and control it are futile. They are just shadows chasing shadows. You can't control or eliminate a shadow by chasing it or by putting a shadow hand on it. These are just children's games. Your mind is an insubstantial shadow that will follow you around wherever you go. Attempts to eliminate or control it cannot succeed while there is still a belief that the mind is real, and that it is something that can be controlled by physical or mental activity. ******************************************************* I love Annamalai Swami and Kunju Swami and Bhagavan’s devotees who understood the teaching so intimately that they realized. The direct approach is grasped by those only who are perfectly ripe. Yet, even the most eminent devotees of Sri Ramana like Kunju Swami were advised by Bhagavan to engage in traditional spiritual practices such as Japa, mantra, meditation, etc in addition to keeping up the enquiry. The central force is not the method employed or not employed but the Heart manifesting as the Guru that by Grace pulls one in to realization, despite oneself. Love to all Harsha ===== /join Health - Feel better, live better http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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