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In a message dated 7/9/2002 12:53:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

harshaimtm writes:

 

> The Turya stage is the fourth stage and certainly

> beyond such trivialities as transcendental conscious

> and so forth.

 

Yes, I realize that you have no experience of transcendental consciousness.

I have no wish to 'convert' anyone to anything. I have started to report on

a series of experiences and knowledge reference points that I find quite

extraordinary. I understand that these things are not much appreciated on

this list, so I will quietly decline to continue. So be it.

 

jai guru dev,

 

Edmond

 

 

 

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It occurs to me that only the most advanced adepts and

yogis and Realizers can follow the remarkable depth

behind simple appearing comments of Sri Ramana

Maharshi. The greatest yogis and Shankracharyas sat at

the feet of Sri Ramana for a good reason. Those with

an inability to understand the Sage of Arunachala

should keep such things in mind -- that their teachers

and their teachers teachers, stood in the shadows of

the Sage of Aruanchala to benefit from his glance.

 

People are fascinated by terms such "Transcendental

Consciousness", "Super Consciousness" etc. and rejoice

at having what they consider "enlightening"

experiences. Naturally, they are eager to convert

others. Who can blame them?

 

The Turya stage is the fourth stage and certainly

beyond such trivialities as transcendental conscious

and so forth. How can any form of consciousness or any

concept no matter how sublime survive upon

encountering the Heart, the core of Being, that is the

Self.

 

Self is Pure Consciousness. Not "This" consciousness

or "That" Consciousness. Where words and concepts fail

and fall in full awareness, that is Turya. Nirvikalpa

Samadhi gives the taste of Turya. One may say that

Sahaj Samadhi is Turyatitta (Beyond the forth). Turya

is Turyatitta.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

 

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advaitin, "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote:

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> Whatever the experience , it fades down before the

> greatness of the Self as it has been embodied by

> the great master,guru and majestic being who is

> Ramana Maharshi. Words,experiences,opinions

> mean nothing as they are nothing.

> "A nothing within nothing",Lalla.

> Their fate is nothing.

 

Hi. I think Edmond perhaps is concerned that those who take too

seriously this no thing, shirk perhaps the relative expression of

That. One can fixate either side, until there is no side, &

everything is as is. This includes the value of form to That. We

cannot say that a beggar is nothing, so lacks nothing, so do not feed

& clothe.

 

> > > The Turya stage is the fourth stage and certainly

> > > beyond such trivialities as transcendental conscious

> > > and so forth.

 

Transcendental consciousness is considered the fourth state of

consciousness by TMers. Shall we perhaps say that it has levels of

expansion as absolute & relative relate? I like how Capannelius

shared that 4th stage turiya quote. I'd like to see all the turiya

stages explained so if there are more quotes like that?

 

Colette

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Self Being Consciousness Alone, requires no other

instrument of perception, no subtle states from which

to experience ItSelf. Self ItSelf Experiences ItSelf

Through ItSelf By ItSelf as that is the Self-Nature.

The ancient sages state that the Self is Independent

and without support. Self is One without a second.

Coming from Self-Knowledge, these words have deep

meaning.

 

Meditators and yogis experience divine visions,

celestial experiences, and related psychic and mental

phenomena. Sages say that all such experiences require

the agency of the mind at some level. We can call it

SuperMind, Divine Intelligence, manifestations of

Kundalini Shakti, etc. While such experiences may

indicate strength of meditation, these do not reveal

the Self.

>From the relative perspective, Self is Recognized when

all phenomena that manifests from the Self (SuperMind,

Shakti) is absorbed back into the Self, into the

Heart, and the Absolute Silence which swallows up time

and space makes It Self Known to ItSelf with Fullness

as Sat-Chit-Ananda.

 

Sri Ramana once said something like --- I paraphrase

--True and Final Realization is knowing the complete

non-arising of phenomena. It appears to me that this

makes sense in light of the Advaitic teaching, 1. Self

is Real; 2. World is Unreal; 3. Self Is the World. Sri

Ramana said that the the third statement unifies the

other two and gives them full meaning.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

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advaitin, Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote:

> Self Being Consciousness Alone, requires no other

> instrument of perception, no subtle states from which

> to experience ItSelf. Self ItSelf Experiences ItSelf..............

 

Pranaam,

 

Which posting have you responded to ? Can you pls give message ref

no.

 

Best regards,

 

Kamal

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advaitin, "kamal_kothari_india"

<kamal_kothari_india> wrote:

> advaitin, Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote:

> > Self Being Consciousness Alone, requires no other

> > instrument of perception, no subtle states from which

> > to experience ItSelf. Self ItSelf Experiences ItSelf..............

>

> Pranaam,

>

> Which posting have you responded to ? Can you pls give message ref

> no.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Kamal

 

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Pranaam Sri Kamalji:

 

I may have been responding to post number 9024 on objectless

consciousness.

 

Love to all

Harsha

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Annamalai Swami: Mind is just a shadow. Attempts to

catch it and control it are futile. They are just

shadows chasing shadows. You can't control or

eliminate a shadow by chasing it or by putting a

shadow hand on it. These are just children's games.

 

Your mind is an insubstantial shadow that will follow

you around wherever you go. Attempts to eliminate or

control it cannot succeed while there is still a

belief that the mind is real, and that it is something

that can be controlled by physical or mental activity.

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I love Annamalai Swami and Kunju Swami and Bhagavan’s

devotees who understood the teaching so intimately

that they realized. The direct approach is grasped by

those only who are perfectly ripe.

 

Yet, even the most eminent devotees of Sri Ramana like

Kunju Swami were advised by Bhagavan to engage in

traditional spiritual practices such as Japa, mantra,

meditation, etc in addition to keeping up the enquiry.

 

The central force is not the method employed or not

employed but the Heart manifesting as the Guru that by

Grace pulls one in to realization, despite oneself.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

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