Gita translations

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Namaste,

 

Without meaning to disturb the 'mauna' lull in the Satsangh,

I am sharing an anthology of on-line translations of the Gita. Hope

some will find them useful in extending one's own understanding,

regardless whether one agrees or not with the translators. [There is

some duplication of the sites.]

 

http://home.att.net/~gitaprasad/hare_krishna.htm

http://www.geocities.com/dnivnd/

http://www.bhagavad-gita.org

http://www.asitis.com

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gita/bg-eg-hp.htm

http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~eclectic/o/gita/b-g.html

http://www.san.beck.org/Gita.html

http://oaks.nvg.org/pv6bk5.html

http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/bgita.htm

http://intyoga.online.fr/the_gita.htm

http://www.realization.org/page/namedoc0/gita/gita0.htm

http://members.aol.com/jajnsn/index.html

http://geocities.com/jaynkbali/home.html

http://members.tripod.com/bhagvadgita/

http://www.yogabound.com/Bhagavad%20Gita.htm

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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--- sunderh <sunderh wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> Without meaning to disturb the 'mauna' lull

> in the Satsangh,

 

Namaste all,

 

Sorry to be part of the lull but after the mega typing

exercise on grammar last week I have to catch up on

other work as well as look after my wife who has had a

short hospital stay to try and sort out the worn-out

knee problem.

The point I will return to later, and some may want to

pick up now, is that in verses 12-13 the 'dying'

process is pointed to but we clearly need to

'practice' this now. It seems to be a practice that

needs to be taught although we may experiment. The

first step in controlling the 'nine gates' is easily

understood but then Shakara's commentary has us

'fixing the mind in the lotus of the heart'; rendering

the mind functionless. For me thismeans that the

'head' is no longer the centre and the attention

emanates from a point between the phusical heart and

the neck. Also, it seems to me that in what follows we

have a process that links in with the four levels of

speech and that we are here at the pashyanti level.

But the process that is being described is then said

to be a movement ' upward' through the sushumna nadi

whereas tracing the four levels of speech is a

'downward' process.

This verse clearly refers to a specific Yogic practice

that was taught or, this verse only refers to the

death of the body and dissolution of the elements of

mind, or the experience of Ramana as a young man and I

should not bring in the levels of speech.

 

I look forward to hearing more comments from people

and clarifying the meaning of 'the lotus of the

heart'.

 

 

Om sri ram

 

 

Ken Knight

> I am sharing an anthology of on-line translations

of

> the Gita. Hope

> some will find them useful in extending one's own

> understanding,

> regardless whether one agrees or not with the

> translators. [There is

> some duplication of the sites.]

>

> http://home.att.net/~gitaprasad/hare_krishna.htm

> http://www.geocities.com/dnivnd/

> http://www.bhagavad-gita.org

> http://www.asitis.com

>

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/gita/bg-eg-hp.htm

>

>

http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~eclectic/o/gita/b-g.html

> http://www.san.beck.org/Gita.html

> http://oaks.nvg.org/pv6bk5.html

> http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/bgita.htm

> http://intyoga.online.fr/the_gita.htm

>

http://www.realization.org/page/namedoc0/gita/gita0.htm

> http://members.aol.com/jajnsn/index.html

> http://geocities.com/jaynkbali/home.html

> http://members.tripod.com/bhagvadgita/

> http://www.yogabound.com/Bhagavad%20Gita.htm

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunder

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste ken:

 

It seems that both our postings appeared at the same instant! I have

provided the basic answer to your question. In general, the 'Lotus'

is a direct reference to the Lord of the Universe, Naryana or

essentially the ParaBrahman. Devotees whose mind focused (rested) on

the lotus of the heart (or equivalently heart of the LOTUS) such a

mind is free from other thoughts (disturbances). Such a devoteed is

considered practicising "Ekantha Bhakti - the supremum of devotion."

The devotee and the Lord become one and the individual personality is

dissolved with the Divinity. The human heart has just space for one -

either the Ego or the Divinity. When the Devotee vacates Ego, the new

occupant, the Divine is able to enter and occupy. When the Lord

occupies the human heart, He drives out all thoughts and mind becomes

free from vibrations. The mutual love between the Lord and the

Devotee is fully established and in Advaita, it is Self-Realization.!

 

warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

Note: Your notes and posting on "sAmAnAdhikaraNyam" was quite

interesting and thanks for all your time and efforts. May I request

you post them in this list to the benefit of the members at large?

 

 

advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote:

>

> I look forward to hearing more comments from people

> and clarifying the meaning of 'the lotus of the

> heart'.

>

>

> Om sri ram

>

>

> Ken Knight

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--- ramvchandran <rchandran wrote:

> It seems that both our postings appeared at the same

> instant!

 

Namaste Ram,

All this 'same instant' answers would be good

demonstrations of quantum theories. Long may they

happen. So thank you for your answer which indeed

helps. This morning I also had a post from someone

else discussing the 'heart'.

I had another instant happening one day last week

when, in the India/England Test Match, I was watching

Agarkar run in to bowl with the batsman, Vaughan, on

197. As he ran in I saw the ball bowled, the shot

played and the catch taken, all precisely as happened

a second later. A very odd experience.

> Note: Your notes and posting on "sAmAnAdhikaraNyam"

> was quite

> interesting and thanks for all your time and

> efforts. May I request

> you post them in this list to the benefit of the

> members at large?

 

Had I not posted them to the list? I thought that they

had appeared on the list with the complete notes on

Sunday. They had appeared on my own incoming

mail-box. Can someone please let me know if I need to

send them again as I do not want to block up people's

in-trays.

 

Many thanks

 

 

Ken Knight

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Ken:

 

There are two primary lists discussing Sankara's Advaita Vedanta

Philosophy (Additionaly several other lists also discuss the

philosophy implicitly and explicitly).

 

The two lists are:

advaitin (advaitin list)

ADVAITA-L (advaita list)

 

This (our) advaitin list focuses mostly on Sankara's advaita vedanta

in the philsophical context. All scriptural references (for example

Bhagavad Gita or Brahma Suutra) are focused on the philosophical

issues instead of traditions (Sampradhyam).

 

The Advaita List focuses more on the Sampradhyam established by

Sankara Mutts and emphasizes scriptural texts in that context. (this

is based on my understanding)

 

At one time we had serious discussion to merge both the lists but

quite a few members of both the list prefered to keep their separate

existence due to the spell of mAyA! But we do maintain friendly ties

and quite a few members to both the lists.

 

Your posting appear in the advaita list and not in advaitin. Please

go ahead and send the posting to the list and quite a few members

have interest on the topic.

 

regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote:

>

> Had I not posted them to the list? I thought that they

> had appeared on the list with the complete notes on

> Sunday. They had appeared on my own incoming

> mail-box. Can someone please let me know if I need to

> send them again as I do not want to block up people's

> in-trays.

>

> Many thanks

>

> Ken Knight

[Guest guest]

advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote:

>

> --- ramvchandran <rchandran@c...> wrote:

> > It seems that both our postings appeared at the same

> > instant!

>

> Namaste Ram,

> All this 'same instant' answers would be good

> demonstrations of quantum theories. Long may they

> happen. So thank you for your answer which indeed

> helps. This morning I also had a post from someone

> else discussing the 'heart'.

> I had another instant happening one day last week

 

Namaste,

 

A quantum coincidence?!!

 

Came across this post by Jay on the Vivekananda List:

 

"A coincidence is when God performs a miracle, and decides to

remain anonymous."

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

[Guest guest]

advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote:

> The point I will return to later, and some may want to

> pick up now, is that in verses 12-13 the 'dying'

> process is pointed to but we clearly need to

> 'practice' this now. It seems to be a practice that

> needs to be taught although we may experiment. The

> first step in controlling the 'nine gates' is easily

> understood but then Shakara's commentary has us

> 'fixing the mind in the lotus of the heart'; rendering

> the mind functionless. For me thismeans that the

> 'head' is no longer the centre and the attention

> emanates from a point between the phusical heart and

> the neck. Also, it seems to me that in what follows we

> have a process that links in with the four levels of

> speech and that we are here at the pashyanti level.

> But the process that is being described is then said

> to be a movement ' upward' through the sushumna nadi

> whereas tracing the four levels of speech is a

> 'downward' process.

> This verse clearly refers to a specific Yogic practice

> that was taught or, this verse only refers to the

> death of the body and dissolution of the elements of

> mind, or the experience of Ramana as a young man and I

> should not bring in the levels of speech.

>

> I look forward to hearing more comments from people

> and clarifying the meaning of 'the lotus of the

> heart'.

 

Namaste,

 

It is my guess that the experiences one encounters in

following different paths is unique to each path, and trying to

equate them may be a futile exercise. Raja Yoga and Kundalini Yoga

paths are just two such examples.

 

The lotus of the heart probably refers to the 'cave of the

heart or chidakasha ' of another path.

 

For Ramana Maharshi's exposition on this subject, the

following URL has good excerpts from David Godman's book:

 

http://www.hinduism.org.za/rajayoga.htm

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder