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What is the relationship between the Ashtavakra Gita and Advaita Vedanta?

Is there a historical connection?

Which came first the Ashtavakra Gita or Advaita Vedanta?

 

When I first read the Ashtavakra Gita I felt a lot of bliss. Is this a

psychological reaction to being told that you are God, etc. or have others

felt the same way? The first time it was like meeting an old friend. Maybe

I had read it in my last incarnation! :-) Only that, I do not believe in

reincarnation.

 

[by the way what are mystical experiences called in Advaita Vedanta?]

 

With Love

Jan

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advaitin, Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote:

> When I first read the Ashtavakra Gita I felt a lot of bliss. Is

this a

> psychological reaction to being told that you are God, etc. or

have others

> felt the same way?

 

 

The book's teachings have helped me tremendously as well, but what

do you mean by 'bliss'?

 

For me, there wasn't a high sensation of happiness, but I do believe

that letting the teachings sink in had a very profound effect on my

consciousness and not long after there would be a subtle shift in my

perspective which led to understanding what the text meant. The

book, more than anything, led me to see the superiority of Advaita

Vedanta to Buddhism.

 

> The first time it was like meeting an old friend. Maybe

> I had read it in my last incarnation! :-) Only that, I do not

believe in

> reincarnation.

>

 

 

There is some pretty solid evidence for reincarnation out there, as

well as evidence of the mind being more than just a phenomena of the

brain. Ian Stevenson's works detail this, as well as Dean Radin's

book "The Conscious Universe." I highly recomend them.

 

-tak

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At 28.08.02-06:15 AM takdjc wrote:

>advaitin, Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote:

> > When I first read the Ashtavakra Gita I felt a lot of bliss. Is

>this a

> > psychological reaction to being told that you are God, etc. or

>have others

> > felt the same way?

>

>

>The book's teachings have helped me tremendously as well, but what

>do you mean by 'bliss'?

 

By bliss I mean when a shift into the sense of presence or no mind happens

and there is a blanket of low level happiness and peace.

 

Glad to see a friendly face here!

 

Love

Jan

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Hi Jan,

Just wanted to thank you for the reference. I found a copy of the

Richard's translation on the web, and another of the Byrom

translation which I haven't looked it in any detail. I copied it off

and it resides in my organizer. I read it all the way through and it

really seems to be the pinnacle of the Advaita teaching. It is

clearer and less challenging than the Ribhu Gita and easier to read.

 

When I went to re-read passages, it seemed as if I was reading

something new. This is a mark of an enlightened writing, it reaches

you where you are now. If you have read it before then you have

already been changed by it so it is new.

 

The bliss experience you had, I think, is the result of light

trancing. I found that as I read it I was drawn to a higher state of

consciousness. (Words are a problem because they tend to create

dualities - so I hope you understand what is meant.) Or perhaps one

could call it a move from beta to alpha states. There was certainly a

great sense of calming.

 

Thanks again, I had not heard of it and it is really a jewel of

Advaita,

 

John L.

 

advaitin, Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote:

> At 28.08.02-06:15 AM takdjc wrote:

> >advaitin, Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote:

> > > When I first read the Ashtavakra Gita I felt a lot of bliss. Is

> >this a

> > > psychological reaction to being told that you are God, etc. or

> >have others

> > > felt the same way?

> >

> >

> >The book's teachings have helped me tremendously as well, but what

> >do you mean by 'bliss'?

>

> By bliss I mean when a shift into the sense of presence or no mind

happens

> and there is a blanket of low level happiness and peace.

>

> Glad to see a friendly face here!

>

> Love

> Jan

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Hello John. Just the person who I think might benefit from this site

I made:

 

advaitatexts

 

It has many, many, many texts on Advaita there. Just go to the files

section.

 

Have fun! :)

 

 

advaitin, "johnrloganis" <johnrloganis> wrote:

>

> When I went to re-read passages, it seemed as if I was reading

> something new. This is a mark of an enlightened writing, it

reaches

> you where you are now. If you have read it before then you have

> already been changed by it so it is new.

>

> The bliss experience you had, I think, is the result of light

> trancing. I found that as I read it I was drawn to a higher state

of

> consciousness. (Words are a problem because they tend to create

> dualities - so I hope you understand what is meant.) Or perhaps

one

> could call it a move from beta to alpha states. There was

certainly a

> great sense of calming.

>

> Thanks again, I had not heard of it and it is really a jewel of

> Advaita,

>

> John L.

>

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At 30.08.02-04:28 AM johnrloganis wrote:

>I read it all the way through and it

>really seems to be the pinnacle of the Advaita teaching.

 

Hello John,

 

It is very very old. All who came afterwards are essentially saying the

same thing!

That is why I wanted to know the historical relationship with Advaita

Vedanta. But it seems nobody here knows about it.

 

With Love

Jan

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advaitin, Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote:

> At 30.08.02-04:28 AM johnrloganis wrote:

> >I read it all the way through and it

> >really seems to be the pinnacle of the Advaita teaching.

>

> Hello John,

>

> It is very very old. All who came afterwards are essentially saying

the

> same thing!

> That is why I wanted to know the historical relationship with

Advaita

> Vedanta.

 

Namaste,

 

Written history being fairly recent in comparison with the oral

tradition, the dating of Hindu scriptures is a formidable, if not

impossible, task.

 

Some have ventured to date Ashtavakra Gita to 2nd cent. B.C.E.

 

http://shrek.linkzone.com/~lwatkins/TimeLine1.htm

 

http://shrek.linkzone.com/~lwatkins/TimeLine2.htm

 

Janaka-Ashtavakra names are familiar to readers of Ramayana, which is

dated many millenia before this!

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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Namaste Sunder ji

 

Many thanks for your information.

 

Love

Jan

 

At 30.08.02-03:22 PM sunderh wrote:

>Namaste,

>

> Written history being fairly recent in comparison with the oral

>tradition, the dating of Hindu scriptures is a formidable, if not

>impossible, task.

>

>Some have ventured to date Ashtavakra Gita to 2nd cent. B.C.E.

>

>http://shrek.linkzone.com/~lwatkins/TimeLine1.htm

>

>http://shrek.linkzone.com/~lwatkins/TimeLine2.htm

>

>Janaka-Ashtavakra names are familiar to readers of Ramayana, which is

>dated many millenia before this!

>

>

>Regards,

>

>Sunder

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advaitin, Jan Sultan <swork@m...> wrote:

>

> Many thanks for your information.

>

 

Namaste,

 

This story of Janaka and Ashtavakra actually occurs in

Mahabharata, Vana Parva; so this must be a different Janaka than that

of Ramayana! There is another famous king Janaka in dialogue with

Yajnavalkya of Brihadaranyaka upan.!

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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