karana shariira - meditation,

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--- Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair wrote:

> Namaste Sadanandaji.

>

> Hope the following imaginary conversation will help clarify what I

> wrote before without any ambiguity:

>

 

 

Yes. You put it in your characteristic style. It may be there in

your imaginary conversation - in the waking state all the shariira-s

manifest - in the sense - the vasana-s, which are the kaaraNa, prompt

desires in the intellect, agitations at the mental level and actions

at the body level. Only in the deep sleep state, it(kaaraNa) alone

manifests. Understanding of theses three states and the substratum,

the turiiyam, is by discriminative analysis only - vichaara using

viveka. Obviously it can be done only when the intellect has full

potential - suukshma buddhi - subtle intellect that is in the waking

state alone.

 

That is the reason why, I was objecting simple direct paths etc -

there is no problem to meditate on oneself - but what that oneself is

one should also know and that is where pramaaNa comes to over help.

I am all the time myself whether I know it or not whether I meditate

it or not. I don’t need to meditate on myself to be myself. Without

being myself I cannot meditate either. But what is needed is what is

that myself that I am meditating on - And that is knowledge not just

experience of myself. This has to be clear. It is not the experience

of myself but the knowledge of myself. That is what scriptures keep

on screaming at the top of their voice.

 

shRiNvantu viswe amRitasya putraaH

ayo dhaamaani divyaani santi

vedaaham metam purushham mahaantam

aadityavarNam tamasaH parastaat

tvameva viditvaa amRitatva meti

naaanyah panthaa vidyate yanaaya|

Listen to you all - the sons of immortality

You too, the indwellers of the heavens,

I have realized the supreme being that which is beyond the change or

death

it is of the nature of ever effulgent beyond all darkness of

ignorance

You can also realize that too and reach that state of immortality,

which is your birthright (since you are the sons of immortality) -

for that, there is no other path other than knowledge.

 

If ignorance is root cause - knowledge alone can remove the

ignorance. Because of ignorance, I take myself what I am not. I can

experience myself in the seat of meditation but I also need to know

that is that I experience - that is knowledge of that experience -

scripture alone can give us with no uncertain terms.

 

Anyway I realize you are aware of it but cannot resist mentioning for

the benefit of everybody else.

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

 

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My dear noble devotee of Sri Sankara

Bhagavatpujyapada,

 

 

It may be there in

your imaginary conversation - in the waking state all

the shariira-s

manifest - in the sense - the vasana-s, which are the

kaaraNa, prompt

desires in the intellect, agitations at the mental

level and actions

at the body level. Only in the deep sleep state,

it(kaaraNa) alone

manifests. Understanding of theses three states and

the substratum,

the turiiyam, is by discriminative analysis only -

vichaara using

viveka. Obviously it can be done only when the

intellect has full

potential - suukshma buddhi - subtle intellect that is

in the waking

state alone.

 

 

Thank you for the letter. I like your explanation of

action which I also strongly believe and on which I

have built my thesi; I call it a karmik theory of

discourse analysis. No action in this creation can

ever take place without a knowledge of it and

knowledge (material ) is language and tracing the

origins of language is diagnosing the the disease of

the samsara.As you pointed out ,I am interested in a

dissection of the samskara,guna,vasana,smruti complex

for the sake of my research.Right now , I have no

claims for the amanasa state and simply looking at the

thoughts as a sakshi. That is for noble souls . Still

there is kashayam in me . When I eliminate it ,then I

will do that by fullmoon coolth grace of Sri Bala

Sankara who has rained wealth in Perambayur. but the

problem is without reaching them I will not be in a

position to authoritatively talk about my theory.

 

WHO IS IT THAT IS THE AUTHOR OF SPEECH? HOW DOES IT

FLOW?

 

 

Yours in Sri Sankara Bhagavatpujyapada,s Love,

 

Chilukuri Bhuvaneswar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada

wrote: > --- Madathil Rajendran Nair

<madathilnair

> wrote:

> > Namaste Sadanandaji.

> >

> > Hope the following imaginary conversation will

> help clarify what I

> > wrote before without any ambiguity:

> >

>

>

> Yes. You put it in your characteristic style. It

> may be there in

> your imaginary conversation - in the waking state

> all the shariira-s

> manifest - in the sense - the vasana-s, which are

> the kaaraNa, prompt

> desires in the intellect, agitations at the mental

> level and actions

> at the body level. Only in the deep sleep state,

> it(kaaraNa) alone

> manifests. Understanding of theses three states and

> the substratum,

> the turiiyam, is by discriminative analysis only -

> vichaara using

> viveka. Obviously it can be done only when the

> intellect has full

> potential - suukshma buddhi - subtle intellect that

> is in the waking

> state alone.

>

> That is the reason why, I was objecting simple

> direct paths etc -

> there is no problem to meditate on oneself - but

> what that oneself is

> one should also know and that is where pramaaNa

> comes to over help.

> I am all the time myself whether I know it or not

> whether I meditate

> it or not. I don’t need to meditate on myself to be

> myself. Without

> being myself I cannot meditate either. But what is

> needed is what is

> that myself that I am meditating on - And that is

> knowledge not just

> experience of myself. This has to be clear. It is

> not the experience

> of myself but the knowledge of myself. That is what

> scriptures keep

> on screaming at the top of their voice.

>

> shRiNvantu viswe amRitasya putraaH

> ayo dhaamaani divyaani santi

> vedaaham metam purushham mahaantam

> aadityavarNam tamasaH parastaat

> tvameva viditvaa amRitatva meti

> naaanyah panthaa vidyate yanaaya|

> Listen to you all - the sons of immortality

> You too, the indwellers of the heavens,

> I have realized the supreme being that which is

> beyond the change or

> death

> it is of the nature of ever effulgent beyond all

> darkness of

> ignorance

> You can also realize that too and reach that state

> of immortality,

> which is your birthright (since you are the sons of

> immortality) -

> for that, there is no other path other than

> knowledge.

>

> If ignorance is root cause - knowledge alone can

> remove the

> ignorance. Because of ignorance, I take myself what

> I am not. I can

> experience myself in the seat of meditation but I

> also need to know

> that is that I experience - that is knowledge of

> that experience -

> scripture alone can give us with no uncertain terms.

>

>

> Anyway I realize you are aware of it but cannot

> resist mentioning for

> the benefit of everybody else.

>

> Hari OM!

> Sadananda

>

>

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> with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami

> Chinmayananda.

>

>

>

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